I don't have technical expertise in this area, but I do think something
chat-like has the most chance of success.

Telegram seems to be the most active platform now among non-technical
users, especially used during conferences.

Perhaps a much better integration with IRC (with a Slack-like interface
tied to SUL) might provide a good path forward, though I imagine it would
require significant  investment.


On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 10:38 AM, Quim Gil <q...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Sylvain!
> (Let me add the disclaimer that opinions are mine and don't represent the
> views of the Foundation.)
> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:33 PM Sylvain Boissel <
> sylvain.bois...@wikimedia.fr> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > It may have changed since I last checked (a bit more than a year ago),
> but
> > while it is easy to create an instance, migrating an account to another
> > instance, or moving an entire instance to a new domain is not (I couldn't
> > even find documentation on how to accomplish this. So if we start an
> > instance that is supposed to become an official one, we need at the very
> > least have the final domain name from the start. Depending on the one we
> > want, we still might need official support (e.g., anyone can register
> > wikimedians.social, but wikimedia.social is restricted to the WMF by a
> > Block.)
> >
> This is a good point. Renaming Mastodon instances continues to be a pain --
> see https://discourse.joinmastodon.org/t/domain-changes-and-aliases/671
> This is a good reason to bet on a domain for the long run. However, let's
> not mix two different concepts: use of Wikimedia trademarks and official
> technical support (servers, maintenance). If the promoters of this
> initiative decide to propose a domain that use a Wikimedia trademark, they
> can request an authorization via
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
> > * Legal: Aiming for an official Wikimedia instance has implications of
> > > trademarks, legal requirements, and so on. While there is no need to
> > start
> > > with an official instance, it is useful to consider the scenario early
> > on.
> > >
> > Do you know what these requirements are? Are some issues unsolvable (for
> > example, if an official Wikimedia instance implies that no movie-based
> gifs
> > can be posted (for copyright reasons), then this instance has basically
> no
> > chance to gain a large user base. While this may not be a problem (a
> small
> > instance with a small number of accounts posting things like
> > #pictureOfTheDay to the whole Fediverse would still be valuable), this
> > would change the scope of what we try to accomplish.
> >
> Honestly, no idea. I am just applying the basic reasoning that the
> requirements and potential risks for content and user data will be more
> complex for the Wikimedia Foundation maintaining a service officially than
> for a group of individual volunteers doing the same independently as a
> hobby.
> If you have a clear idea about what you want to accomplish, I'd recommend
> you to take the lightest steps that will lead you there. Iterations,
> experiments and changes are expected anyway, being this idea so new and
> different in the context of our movement. It is also an idea easy to
> implement and maintain (through a service like e.g. https://masto.host or
> self-hosted). And economically affordable.
> --
> Quim Gil
> Senior Manager of Community Relations @ Wikimedia Foundation
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Qgil-WMF
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