We are likely to eventually have a similar situation in my region of the Russian Federation & we welcome this.
1) A recently recognized Wikimedia Community of Tatar language User Group (WUG TAT) is a language-oriented UG without geographical borders. 2) At the same time, we will eventually need a Tatarstan-centered Wikimedia User Group / Subnational Thematic organization without specific language focus. I am actually in the process of laying the ground for the second. During https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Умный_регион/05.02.2019/en I was given less than a minute, but still managed to convince both Federal Deputy Prime-Minister and Regional President. I will have to craft value proposition statements & roadmaps in a way as to try have this implemented first in my Republic, then across Russia. farhad -- Farkhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 / skype:frhdkazan / Wikipedia:frhdkazan 06.02.2019, 21:02, "Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>: > I guess... probably one include also the majority of Kosovo, > Albanian-speaking regions of Greece, P.Y.R.O.M./North Macedonia and maybe > even Southern Italy and the other one is just centered on Albania as a state. > This is not the same scenario as Brazil (not sure if, partially, also Greece) > since in that case we had two group precisely centered on one country. > > It's not totally practical but the geopolitical situation is not practical in > the end by itself... You cannot force people to get rid of a group that > might become a future national chapter because their language is spoken by > many other people in neighboring countries who already clustered in a > previous UG. So it should not be considered a critical situation per se, > although the interaction of the two UGs should be closely monitored and > addressed since the beginning. > > What is missing is a precise guideline or attention to UG related to > languages (of minorities or globally spoken). You could have the same problem > with a future Italian minor languages UG active in Corsica or Croatia, with a > Retho-romance Alpine language user group, with a gender gap UG active in a > language distributed along various borders... and so on. They don't seem to > show huge problems when similar situation exist in reality but they could > degenerate, stop cooperation, or never start it with other UGs or national > chapters. > I value plurality, I want UG to be created and catalyze activities, and I > think that the problem is mostly the character of people. However, I strongly > advocate a more structured architecture of language-based UG to be > implemented. Basically what I suppose was done with Catalan Wikimedia > Thematic Organization, although in that case there is no main entity > competing on the area of a sovereign country where Catalan is spoken (which > is not necessarily a better scenario, just complex in a different way). We > call them almost all "User groups" but they are sometimes local geographical > unions of users and volunteers (embryonic future national chapters or just > regional associations), language-oriented associations created to involve > minorities or cross-projects of interested users unified by a topic. They all > have different purpose and should be rationalized somehow. I think I pushed a > little bit in that direction on the application to WikiSummit, stressing the > importance to make order in the field. > IMHO, we should have single-language thematic organizations (specifically for > a language), cross-language thematic organization or local UG centered on a > vague historic geographical area or a very precise administrative one. And > think carefully about their status. This is however just a vague idea. > > Alessandro > Il mercoledì 6 febbraio 2019, 18:11:57 CET, Philip Kopetzky > <philip.kopet...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > > Just to close off this thread, there seemingly is no plan and others are > left to deal with the fallout of this decision. > > On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 at 08:23, Paulo Santos Perneta <paulospern...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi Kirill, >> >> I join Philip and Mardetanha on their concerns and questions. Having >> followed closely the Brazil situation - which ended up in the worst >> possible way, IMO - I'm very interested in your answer. >> >> Best, >> >> Paulo >> >> 2018-06-11 13:07 GMT+01:00 Mardetanha <mardetanha.w...@gmail.com>: >> >>> Hi Kirill >>> >>> Philip's concerns were not answered, would you please respond, I had the >>> very same question. >>> >>> Mardetanha >>> >>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Philip Kopetzky < >>> philip.kopet...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Hi Kirill, >>> > >>> > what's the difference/relationship between this group and the >>> Wikimedians >>> > of Albanian Language User Group, which is currently applying for a >>> > simpleAPG grant? How do we avoid creating more Brazilian scenarios by >>> > reconising even more user groups from the same area? >>> > >>> > Best, >>> > Philip >>> > >>> > On 22 May 2018 at 22:07, Kirill Lokshin <kirill.loks...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Hi everyone! >>> > > >>> > > I'm very happy to announce that the Affiliations Committee has >>> recognized >>> > > [1] Wikimedia Community User Group Albania [2] as a Wikimedia User >>> Group. >>> > > The group aims to improve content about Albania across the Wikimedia >>> > > projects, including Commons and Wikidata, and to collaborate with >>> other >>> > > Wikimedia user groups, chapters, and other free culture groups in >>> Albania >>> > > and across the region. >>> > > >>> > > Please join me in congratulating the members of this new user group! >>> > > >>> > > Regards, >>> > > Kirill Lokshin >>> > > Chair, Affiliations Committee >>> > > >>> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/ >>> > > Resolutions/Recognition_Wikimedia_Community_User_Group_Albania >>> > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Community_User_ >>> > Group_Albania >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Affiliates mailing list >>> > > affilia...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates >>> > > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> > wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Affiliates mailing list >> affilia...@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/affiliates > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
