(forking the discussion to allow a focus on more general line, rather than the specifics of who wrote what, why and when) My main takeaway from this discussion would be that it's good if there is a neutral review option for actions by the T&S team (or the WMF in general), such as an ombudsperson.
A detailed discussion or evaluation of specific sanctions by the Trust and Safety team is not the kind of conversation to have publicly - I think most people agree on this. In conversations like this, there is always at least one party less comfortable to discuss the matter in public (or even discuss it at all, indeed). At the same time, if actions are so severe, it's good if there is opportunity to have a review of the actions taken by a third party, to confirm to the person against who sanctions have been laid (or complainants in case no sanctions were laid), that appropriate processes were followed. (This is perhaps stating the obvious - and I should acknowledge that I don't know enough about WMF processes today to know for sure whether this has maybe already even been implemented in the WMF structures a long time ago. I do get the impression though that if this is the case, not everyone is familiar with this option.) Best, Lodewijk On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 12:40 PM Isaac Olatunde <reachout2is...@gmail.com> wrote: > <snip> > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019, 3:48 PM Dariusz Jemielniak <dar...@alk.edu.pl wrote: > > ><snip> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>