The question is however as well: how many open licensed content creators would switch to NC if they were aware that this would be 'good enough' for Wikipedia - even if that means in reality only English Wikipedia (but who cares about other languages) and without actually allowing to build on top of it?
I have found the argument 'don't use NC because then it can't be used on Wikipedia' rather convincing in the past. It will not always work, and I also wish it would convince /more/ organizations. But then, I would also wish that enwiki wouldn't use fair use exceptions - so maybe I'm not the benchmark you'd be looking at anyway. Lodewijk On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 5:32 PM James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes one of the stronger reasons to reject all use of the NC license is that > it increases incentives for other organizations to actually adopt open > licenses. I simply wish that such a position would convince more > organizations. WHO has repeatedly told me that we, as a non-profit, are > already free to use their work and if we chose not to, that is on us. > > James > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 6:19 PM Erik Moeller <eloque...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi James :) > > > > (This is my last reply for today, given the recommended posting limit > > on this list.) > > > > > We all agree that NC licenses are exceedingly poor due to the reasons > > > listed, yet we leave a lot of useful content (such as Khan academy > > videos) > > > less accessible to our readers because we disallow any such use. > > > > I completely agree. I'm wondering if efforts have been made at the WMF > > or chapter level to partner with these organizations on new > > initiatives, where a more permissive license could be used? This could > > perhaps help to introduce CC-BY-SA/CC-BY to orgs like Khan Academy, > > and help lay the groundwork for potentially changing their default > > license. > > > > > This is a balance between pragmatism and idealism. > > > > I disagree with your framing here. There are many pragmatic reasons to > > want to build a knowledge commons with uniform expectations for how it > > can be built upon and re-used. It's also pragmatic to be careful about > > altering the incentive structure for contributors. Right now, > > Wikimedia Commons hosts millions of contributions under permissive > > licenses. How many of those folks would have chosen an "exceedingly > > poor" (your words) option like NC, if that was available? And if a > > nonfree carve-out is limited to organizations like Khan Academy, how > > is such a carve-out fair and equitable to contributors who have, in > > some cases, given up potential commercial revenue to contribute to > > Wikimedia projects? > > > > If a license is "exceedingly poor" and harmful to the goals of the > > free culture movement, incorporating more information under such terms > > strikes me as neither idealistic nor pragmatic -- it would just be > > short-sighted. > > > > Warmly, > > Erik > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > -- > James Heilman > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
