Gerard, Fæ and others, You are both correct, if we treat commons as an auxiliary tool for media hosting, then yes, it’s ok and working fine. And to Gerard point, it’s effectively saying commons is difficult to use and navigate as a website for non-English speakers, which is totally understandable. I don’t see any conflict here. I think Gerard’s wish to improve commons in that regard is respectable. Though it is my opinion that it would be better if Gerard didn’t start his reply with 'you are essentially wrong’, which sounded a little bit harsh (maybe just to me). There is no conflict in your statements, they are opinions on the two facets of the same thing.
Leo, On Jul 16, 2021, 10:26 PM +0800, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>, wrote: > Hoi, > You make your point and you are essentially wrong. When you search in English > for "beaver" you do not find beavers. They are mostly false positives > related in one way or other to "beaver" but they do not depict a beaver[1] . > This is true for all languages. My point is that Commons is not useful when > people cannot find what they are looking for. Compare this to a search using > the Wikidata labels linked to "depicts" statements in any and all languages, > this is where they DO find beavers [2] (this app is by Hay Kranen and it > shows the same functionality special:mediasearch used to have in a previous > iteration). > > I am totally aware that it is only a subset of the images at Commons that can > be found in this way. It however works for a general public and it does work > in any language. The current search is however not functional when you "just" > want to find a picture. When you argue that special purpose files with a > Spanish description are a reason not to provide a functional search, I do > wonder what Commons is for. Why have the biggest freely licensed resource of > media files when it has no functional search, when it is essentially closed > in all languages to the public. > > The reason why I aim to be a member of the board is exactly that we need a > public for all the work that we have done. I do not mind when we start with a > minimal service that works over a service that does not bring us the > attention to Commons that it deserves. We do not truly value the data that we > have. > Thanks, > GerardM > > > [1] > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaSearch?type=image&search=beaver > [2] https://hay.toolforge.org/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q181191 > > > On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 13:42, Fæ <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 17:32, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hoi. > > > > One reason why I am a candidate for the board of the WMF is that in my > > > > opinion one function is lacking. There is no reflection of the fact > > > > that all that we do is to share the sum of all knowledge. It is not > > > > only about the creation of content but also about sharing the sum all > > > > the knowledge that is available to us. > > > > > > > > For obvious reasons, the contributors to the projects are heard. I do > > > > not subscribe to the notion that the "projects" need to be in the > > > > organisational chart. With 300 languages and potentially multiple > > > > projects for each language it is impossible to have equity among these > > > > projects. The point that I have made repeatedly: Commons is not useful > > > > in any language but English, this does not need to be as there is > > > > software that works equally well in any language dependent on the > > > > availability of labels in Wikidata. This is just one example, there are > > > > more. > > > > Thanks, > > > > GerardM > > > > > > "Commons is not useful in any language but English" is nonsense. The > > > idea that displaying "labels" and imposed transclusions from Wikidata > > > would make, say, a Commons image page Spanish description of a PDF > > > book in Spanish redundant, and an English description is all that > > > Commons should aim for, disregards the valued work that many Commons > > > contributors make to keep the project multilingual. > > > > > > I would hope that the WMF board would understand how the projects > > > function and their value to public reuse rather better than this. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Fae > > > -- > > > [email protected] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines > > > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > Public archives at > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/Z2E2L77MJG27ZOTWY3NAFER5XPMRZ6R4/ > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected] > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- [email protected], guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/[email protected]/message/GKRE55TSDNLCG6K6J5ARRLJO2DNWH4I5/ > To unsubscribe send an email to [email protected]
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