Hi,
Just a reminder that multilingual search already works for Commons
categories, for example search for 'telescopio lovell':
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?search=telescopio+lovell&title=Special:MediaSearch&go=Go&type=page
This is because the Wikidata Infobox on Commons displays multilingual
information, and also includes search engine optimisation (i.e.,
includes all language labels from Wikidata in the searchable source).
We're nearly at 3.5 million categories using the infobox now (about half
of all Commons categories...).
It's a bit hidden out of the way now, though, since the default search
is for images, and you need to click on 'Categories and pages'.
Thanks,
Mike
On 18/7/21 18:49:28, Mohamed ElGohary wrote:
I must say that in my experience along the years is that search is not a
very strong feature in all Wikimedia projects, commons or not.
Personally I use commercial search engines to custom search Wikimedia
projects, and I include the Creative Commons search
<https://search.creativecommons.org/> for photos.
I would love if there are efforts to include multilingualism and better
search in Wikimedia projects. For Wikimedia Commons specifically, I
would love to see (more) cooperation with Creative Commons and other
like-minded entities for better search results for all languages.
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On 16-Jul-21 10:09:33 PM, Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hoi,
You have it the wrong way around. Our projects have a function, they
exist for us to share in the sum of all knowledge. When a search
engine provides results to a public in any language, it does not make
a difference to how Commons is run. Your claim that finding pictures
is only allowed when a community allows for it exposes a bias that is
fundamentally wrong. What Commons contains is freely licensed and
consequently anyone can search it, use it.
Your claim that people worked hard to make Commons usable in other
languages is fine. However, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.
It is the purpose of Commons that its images are actually used, used
world wide in any language. You claim that it is the community that
allows for re-use. It is not, it is the license. It is the purpose of
the Wikimedia movement to make the most of what we have and do. It is
the responsibility of the Board to ensure that we do.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 20:39, Fæ <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It would be far more effective to make community and project proposals
or run a wider community RFC about how the "common" projects work
together rather than become a board member to make a difference in
this area. The detail of how projects work and their policies is not
something that the WMF board is well placed to dictate. Trustees are
busy with WMF operational oversight and strategy, not lobbyists for
how technical implementation might work.
A board that starts dictating how projects must function, is probably
a board that volunteers would never elect, if they have a choice.
Thanks,
Fae
On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 15:26, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>
> Hoi,
> You make your point and you are essentially wrong. When you
search in English for "beaver" you do not find beavers. They are
mostly false positives related in one way or other to "beaver" but
they do not depict a beaver[1] . This is true for all languages.
My point is that Commons is not useful when people cannot find
what they are looking for. Compare this to a search using the
Wikidata labels linked to "depicts" statements in any and all
languages, this is where they DO find beavers [2] (this app is by
Hay Kranen and it shows the same functionality special:mediasearch
used to have in a previous iteration).
>
> I am totally aware that it is only a subset of the images at
Commons that can be found in this way. It however works for a
general public and it does work in any language. The current
search is however not functional when you "just" want to find a
picture. When you argue that special purpose files with a Spanish
description are a reason not to provide a functional search, I do
wonder what Commons is for. Why have the biggest freely licensed
resource of media files when it has no functional search, when it
is essentially closed in all languages to the public.
>
> The reason why I aim to be a member of the board is exactly that
we need a public for all the work that we have done. I do not mind
when we start with a minimal service that works over a service
that does not bring us the attention to Commons that it deserves.
We do not truly value the data that we have.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
>
> [1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaSearch?type=image&search=beaver
<https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MediaSearch?type=image&search=beaver>
> [2]
https://hay.toolforge.org/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q181191
<https://hay.toolforge.org/sdsearch/#q=haswbstatement:P180=Q181191>
>
> On Fri, 16 Jul 2021 at 13:42, Fæ <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 at 17:32, Gerard Meijssen
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hoi.
>> > One reason why I am a candidate for the board of the WMF is
that in my opinion one function is lacking. There is no reflection
of the fact that all that we do is to share the sum of all
knowledge. It is not only about the creation of content but also
about sharing the sum all the knowledge that is available to us.
>> >
>> > For obvious reasons, the contributors to the projects are
heard. I do not subscribe to the notion that the "projects" need
to be in the organisational chart. With 300 languages and
potentially multiple projects for each language it is impossible
to have equity among these projects. The point that I have made
repeatedly: Commons is not useful in any language but English,
this does not need to be as there is software that works equally
well in any language dependent on the availability of labels in
Wikidata. This is just one example, there are more.
>> > Thanks,
>> > GerardM
>>
>> "Commons is not useful in any language but English" is
nonsense. The
>> idea that displaying "labels" and imposed transclusions from
Wikidata
>> would make, say, a Commons image page Spanish description of a PDF
>> book in Spanish redundant, and an English description is all that
>> Commons should aim for, disregards the valued work that many
Commons
>> contributors make to keep the project multilingual.
>>
>> I would hope that the WMF board would understand how the projects
>> function and their value to public reuse rather better than this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Fae
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