On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 4:26 AM Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry I couldn't get back to you until now, as I didn't see this. > > Both you and Gerard's response share the same deficiency: Lack of detail. > This is basically marketese "sounds good" speak, but without any detail. > Sure, that stuff sounds good, but that's not anything to vote on. How do > you plan to actually do that stuff? What particular steps will you take to > reach those goals? > > Plans are detailed, not feel-good "We think this stuff sounds nice". > Exactly what is it you are proposing to do? That is what the proposal is > missing. Otherwise, you're basically asking us to write you a blank check. > What EXACTLY are you proposing to do, step by step and detail by detail? > I feel like this is what the movement charter drafting committee is supposed to do - translate these into something practical. I think that's the point - to have community-selected people actually draft the movement charter. It's better to have this process led by a group other than WMF (deserved or not, there are a lot of people in the community who have limited trust in WMF). On one hand, limiting candidates to a 400-word statement makes it impossible for people to address specifics in their candidate statements. On the other hand, with 70 candidates, there's far too much to read even after you've eliminated the candidates you can "quick-fail". I wish there was space and time for a Q&A with the candidates where people could ask specific questions of them. (Of us - just to be clear, I'm one of those 70 candidates.) I don't think anyone expected this level of interest in volunteering to do a vast, and almost certainly thankless task. But we did. Ian > > Regards, > > Todd Allen > > On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:34 PM Kaarel Vaidla <kvai...@wikimedia.org> > wrote: > >> Dear Todd, >> >> Thank you for the feedback! >> >> While working on the consolidation of the recommendations coming from the >> working groups, the writers put a lot of effort into ensuring conciseness >> of expression for the final recommendations. In some cases it meant that >> the text became so condensed that It can indeed be somewhat difficult to >> follow. Regarding the passage related to the Movement Charter, as a >> non-native English speaker, I do not feel that this is really the case. >> >> We do not have a different presentation of the recommendation, but have >> been using the same text. Perhaps you can point to what exactly is unclear >> for you in the respective passage, so it could be clarified: >> >> >> - Create a Movement Charter to: >> - Lay the values, principles >> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Glossary#Principle> >> and >> policy basis for Movement structures, including the roles and >> responsibilities of the Global Council, regional and thematic hubs >> >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Glossary#Hubs>, >> as well as other existing and new entities and decision-making bodies, >> - Set requirements and criteria for decisions and processes that >> are Movement-wide to be legitimate and trusted by all stakeholders, >> e.g. for >> - Maintaining safe collaborative environments, >> - Ensuring Movement-wide revenue generation and distribution, >> - Giving a common direction on how resources should be >> allocated with appropriate accountability mechanisms. >> - Defining how communities work together and are accountable to >> each other. >> - Setting expectations for participation and the rights of >> participants. >> >> >> Wishing you a great continuation to your week! >> Kaarel >> >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 8:50 AM Gerard Meijssen < >> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hoi, >>> Dear Todd, thank you for the invite to read up on this document full of >>> "buzzwords and fury, signifying nothing". I did just that and not find what >>> you suggested, what I found is a determined effort to bring more equity and >>> diversity (you can look up the words in Wiktionary or any other dictionary >>> of your choice). That is a boon for all of us and a necessary departure >>> from the predominantly text based, English dominated culture we have. >>> >>> At this stage children of nine will not use Commons to find pictures for >>> their schooling because whatever structure is English and search does not >>> translate for "hond", "kat"of "eenhoorn". It is an example of how a more >>> diverse and equitable movement leads to different priorities and >>> effectively leads to more inclusion. Something we need to firmly support. >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 at 23:48, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> So, you linked to this: >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Ensure_Equity_in_Decision-making#Establish_a_common_framework_for_decision-making >>>> >>>> What does any of that mean? Right now, it is a document full of >>>> buzzwords and fury, signifying nothing. Is there a buzzword-to-English >>>> translation of it available? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Todd Allen >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 4:02 AM Kaarel Vaidla <kvai...@wikimedia.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Voting for the election for the members for the Movement Charter >>>>> drafting committee is now open. In total, 70 Wikimedians from around the >>>>> world are running for seven seats in these elections. >>>>> >>>>> As recommended by the Movement Strategy recommendations, the goal is >>>>> to assemble a Drafting Committee that will draft a Movement Charter to >>>>> ensure >>>>> a common framework for decision making in the Wikimedia movement >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Ensure_Equity_in_Decision-making#Establish_a_common_framework_for_decision-making>. >>>>> The committee will consist of 15 members in total: The online communities >>>>> vote for 7 members, 6 members will be selected by the Wikimedia affiliates >>>>> through a parallel process, and 2 members will be appointed by the >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation. The plan is to assemble the committee by November 1, >>>>> 2021. >>>>> >>>>> Voting is open from October 12 10:00 UTC to October 24, 2021 23:59 >>>>> (Anywhere >>>>> on Earth <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anywhere_on_Earth>). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Learn more about the candidates >>>>> >>>>> Candidates from across the movement have submitted their candidatures. >>>>> Learn about each candidate to inform your vote >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Candidates>. >>>>> The statements are translated to a number of languages, so you can have >>>>> access to the information in many of your preferred languages. >>>>> >>>>> Additionally, we are piloting a so-called “Election Compass >>>>> <https://mcdc-election-compass.toolforge.org/>” for this election. >>>>> Click yourself through the tool and respond to the 19 statements, and you >>>>> will see which candidate is closest to you! The tool is available in ~9 >>>>> languages (English, German, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Arabic, >>>>> Indonesian, Hausa). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Voting >>>>> >>>>> Similar to the previous Board elections, we have chosen Single >>>>> Transferable Vote >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/Single_Transferable_Vote> >>>>> for the voting system. The benefit of this is voters can rank their >>>>> choices >>>>> in order of preference. Learn more about voting requirements >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Voting#Voting_eligibility>, >>>>> how to vote >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Voting>, >>>>> and frequently asked questions about voting >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Voting#Voting_FAQ> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To cast your vote, please go to SecurePoll >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> We also offer two question and answer times, if you have any questions >>>>> regarding the Movement Charter and the voting process:w >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Wednesday, 19:00 UTC, on Google Meet >>>>> - >>>>> >>>>> Thursday, 13:00 UTC, on Zoom (that’s the Conversation Time with >>>>> Maggie Dennis) >>>>> >>>>> Please write a short message to answ...@wikimedia.org if you want to >>>>> participate in one of these. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please help select people who best fit the needs of the movement at >>>>> this time. Vote and spread the word so more people can vote for >>>>> candidates. >>>>> Our aim is to have a committee with Wikimedians that combine the diversity >>>>> of the Wikimedia Movement as well as a great mix of competencies. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Kaarel Vaidla, on behalf of the Movement Strategy & Governance team, >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Kaarel Vaidla (he/him) >>>>> >>>>> Movement Strategy <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/2030> >>>>> >>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>>> guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> Public archives at >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/O6EYQSHWXT5JH7DZZDNLD4BRPEYPQZTF/ >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/6INWKXWJ77WEDTGSOTKIL3NXJYZLNAEM/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/GOP7AR7H22QTAPFNPFOBC64IGVSPM3XW/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kaarel Vaidla (he/him) >> >> Movement Strategy <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/2030> >> >> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/CXWFI24IYX6QP6OCCJRIJTIU4V34HYFC/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/DZLA4JFYNBTLM5RMLZ7L35ADL4NTNKK5/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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