Hi Mike The questions were selected from this list: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Election_Compass/Statements
People voted and the top ones were chosen. (A few near-duplicates that ranked at the top were combined by Cornelius, iirc). The raw data underlying both the Compass and Dusan's tool are here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Election_Compass/Raw_data Ian On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 5:45 PM Mike Peel <em...@mikepeel.net> wrote: > Both of these seem like a fantastic way to support your intrinsic biases. > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Candidates/Table > - this supports your language or editor start date bias. Since you are > limited to ordering by name/username/region/languages/wiki/editor since. > > > https://krehel.sk/Candidates_Drafting_Committee_Movement_Charter_Statements/ > - this seems to support selected question answers (from where?) and > encourages you to vote based on other people's views that decide on > their rankings (which aren't publicly available)? (Try ordering by Q2 - > or looking up where Q6 was posted). > > We need better tools to help voters. Neither of these tools do that. > > Thanks, > Mike > > On 15/10/21 22:32:15, Andrew Lih wrote: > > To echo Risker, I'd encourage the use of more advanced tools by voters. > > On meta, I've pointed to the two tools that hopefully help: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections#Tools_for_examining_candidates > > < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Elections#Tools_for_examining_candidates > > > > > > The links point to: > > - A table of all the factual information supplied by the candidates in a > > wiki table, in which each column is sortable. > > - A browsable interface to all the compass questions and responses, > > providing much better candidate comparisons. An issue Adam brought up is > > that there may not be a good understanding of the variance in the > > answers of candidates. For that reason, this tool is valuable in showing > > that the following questions had the most diverse responses and are > > likely to be the most useful for voters to examine directly. > > > > 6 - limit the role of WMF to "keep the servers running" > > 11 - democratic governance structure > > 20 - new forms of knowledge representation > > 24 - regional elections > > 27 - "counter-voice" > > 45 - "percentage of movement money" to be allocated > > 92 - ratification from all > > > > I'd encourage voters to experiment with these tools. > > > > -Andrew > > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:39 AM Risker <risker...@gmail.com > > <mailto:risker...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Adam, you may find the tool discussed here > > < > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Movement_Charter/Drafting_Committee/Candidates#Candidates_Compass:_One_statement,_all_answers > > > > to be helpful. It is created by one of the candidates, is based on > > the information submitted by candidates for the election compass, > > and is quite visual. (Disclosure: I am also a candidate.) > > > > I'd also suggest that the written answers illustrate the differences > > between candidates a little more specifically than the general > > five-point compass. Perhaps, also, part of the reason that there's > > some consensus amongst candidates (at least on the surface) is that > > they could be representative of a pretty broad consensus throughout > > the global community on some points. > > > > Risker/Anne > > > > On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 09:26, Adam Wight <adam.m.wi...@gmail.com > > <mailto:adam.m.wi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 12:02 PM Kaarel Vaidla > > <kvai...@wikimedia.org <mailto:kvai...@wikimedia.org>> wrote: > > > > Additionally, we are piloting a so-called “Election Compass > > <https://mcdc-election-compass.toolforge.org/>” for this > > election. Click yourself through the tool and respond to the > > 19 statements, and you will see which candidate is closest > > to you! > > > > > > Hi, thank you for facilitating this process and for sharing the > > interesting "election compass" experiment. After trying the > > tool, I urge you to take it offline. Its algorithm is opaque, > > and in my opinion very unlikely to give a helpful result. It's > > explicitly meant to influence how we vote, but without us having > > done any validation of what it's actually calculating. If you > > want to test this tool, you could position it as an "exit poll", > > to compare the tool's results with how each person actually > > voted, or you could turn off the "alignment" scoring. > > > > My suspicions started with the fact that I answered "strongly > > support" or "support" to almost every question, which suggests > > that the axes were not chosen in a way that differentiates > > between the candidates. Instead, it seems like it's going to > > amplify tiny differences like "strongly" vs "support"—is this > true? > > > > Was the tool analyzed with this sort of concern in mind? Are > > there reasons to believe that the "alignment" scores are > > meaningful in our scenario? > > > > Kind regards, > > Adam Wight > > [[mw:User:Adamw]] > > Writing in my volunteer capacity. > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > > Public archives at > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ORUIO7XSLVBBW57GIVPG53LJA3CIBNDG/ > > < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ORUIO7XSLVBBW57GIVPG53LJA3CIBNDG/ > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines> and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > > Public archives at > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KKNSAX5FKNUYRRKIZQJZP4OAURUN2JZ5/ > > < > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/KKNSAX5FKNUYRRKIZQJZP4OAURUN2JZ5/ > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to > > wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org> > > > > > > > > -- > > -Andrew Lih > > Author of The Wikipedia Revolution > > US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016) > > Knight Foundation grant recipient - Wikipedia Space (2015) > > Wikimedia DC - Outreach and GLAM > > Previously: professor of journalism and communications, American > > University, Columbia University, USC > > --- > > Email: and...@andrewlih.com <mailto:and...@andrewlih.com> > > WEB: https://muckrack.com/fuzheado <https://muckrack.com/fuzheado> > > PROJECT: Wikipedia Space: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE > > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:WPSPACE> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/PHJ3SYO6B4ILQ4N5YRMNJ6UYLLGGORPX/ > > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/2L4RG5H6XAQ2YPF3NMS4XZDGKQWJPFTD/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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