Hello, At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a private message. The document is not really public yet. :-) Kind regards Ziko https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon
Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>: > > Hi, > > De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> > I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia project > is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and elsewhere that could > potentially increase civil liability. Another hurdle is that America is very > aware, perhaps overly aware, of the potential safety risks when children are > involved in websites. Then you add in the fact that kids are likely to > continue editing Wikipedia instead of Kidipedia, and it’s not worth the extra > effort. This effort would include hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a > team of people for just Kidipedia, along with the background checks and > identity verification needed. None of that are obstacles that aren’t in the > way of kids editing the existing projects. > > I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite quickly. > > You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest hurdle, yet > the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is another one, and > moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the > potential safety risks when children are involved in websites" (and I would > also say that "America" weight more the right of parents to control what is > taught to their children and less the right of the children to inform > themselves - the latter being upheld by the Convention on the Rights of the > Child, which the US didn't ratificate - compared to other countries). > We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters > > That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the > risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and > unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very > few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). > > You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of people for > just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I adressed on this blog > post : > Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation > https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/ > ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside their > closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be the same if a > wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal educators either > to write the articles, to design the project or to manage the community or > all that together) - did cause much delay to the wiki encyclopedias for > children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia. > > Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and subpages : > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids > > Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37 > De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder...@hotmail.com> > À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia > From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any extra > step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account even if you > are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without limits, and they can > find adult content easily. We don't have any advice about that, nor filters > at Commons, where you can find even porn using words that were not intended > for that. The place is open, and we have massive visits from children, so > providing them a better place, thought for them (as our strategic direction > says) is better that not providing at all. > > I can only agree! > > > Mathias Damour > [[User:Astirmays]] > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l Public archives at https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/ To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
