>> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the >> risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children").
And of course, any WMF-affiliated wiki would be more at-risk simply because of the association with the more well-known Wikipedia. > The document is not really public yet. :-) I think I can wait until it’s public and proofread. :-) From, I dream of horses She/her > On Jun 22, 2022, at 1:45 PM, Ziko van Dijk <zvand...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > At the moment I am working on a document that extensively explains how > we work on the Klexikon. If someone is interested, please send me a > private message. The document is not really public yet. :-) > Kind regards > Ziko > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Klexikon > > Am Mi., 22. Juni 2022 um 19:27 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour > <mathias.dam...@gmx.fr>: >> >> Hi, >> >> De: "Neurodivergent Netizen" <idoh.idreamofhor...@gmail.com> >> I think a particular hurdle for a standalone WMF-affiliated kidipedia >> project is the COPPA, and other similar laws both in the US and elsewhere >> that could potentially increase civil liability. Another hurdle is that >> America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the potential safety risks >> when children are involved in websites. Then you add in the fact that kids >> are likely to continue editing Wikipedia instead of Kidipedia, and it’s not >> worth the extra effort. This effort would include hiring/reassigning staff >> so you can have a team of people for just Kidipedia, along with the >> background checks and identity verification needed. None of that are >> obstacles that aren’t in the way of kids editing the existing projects. >> >> I predict a WMF-affiliated kidipedia would largely be abandoned quite >> quickly. >> >> You are probably right. I would say COPPA may not be the biggest hurdle, yet >> the british "UK Safeguarding Vulnerable Groups Act 2006" is another one, and >> moreover the fact that "America is very aware, perhaps overly aware, of the >> potential safety risks when children are involved in websites" (and I would >> also say that "America" weight more the right of parents to control what is >> taught to their children and less the right of the children to inform >> themselves - the latter being upheld by the Convention on the Rights of the >> Child, which the US didn't ratificate - compared to other countries). >> We reviewed it on https://en.vikidia.org/wiki/Vikidia:Legal_matters >> >> That wouldn't be a wise choice that WMF host such a wiki if it brings the >> risk of being legaly attacked on that ground, even for bad reasons and >> unsuccessfully, whereas it never happened to Vikidia in 15 years (and very >> few kind of bad buzz like "look what they teach to the children"). >> >> You tell about "hiring/reassigning staff so you can have a team of people >> for just Kidipedia", well, that's quite exactly the point I adressed on this >> blog post : >> Vikidia, l’anti-professionnalisation >> https://www.wikimedia.fr/vikidia-lanti-professionnalisation/ >> ...to tell that the vision of children needing to be only alongside their >> closed family and professionals workers - and that it should be the same if >> a wiki for children is set (that we would need professionnal educators >> either to write the articles, to design the project or to manage the >> community or all that together) - did cause much delay to the wiki >> encyclopedias for children, and how we do otherwise on Vikidia. >> >> Reminder, the Wikikids project was developped on this page and subpages : >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikikids >> >> Envoyé: mercredi 22 juin 2022 à 12:37 >> De: "Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga" <galder...@hotmail.com> >> À: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >> Objet: [Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia >> From our experience, is just the opposite: Wikipedia is not asking any extra >> step nor age confirmation, and legally you can have an account even if you >> are underage. Children are consulting Wikipedia without limits, and they can >> find adult content easily. We don't have any advice about that, nor filters >> at Commons, where you can find even porn using words that were not intended >> for that. The place is open, and we have massive visits from children, so >> providing them a better place, thought for them (as our strategic direction >> says) is better that not providing at all. >> >> I can only agree! >> >> >> Mathias Damour >> [[User:Astirmays]] >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/HS4SV6YSS5G7M4R53YJGFPGWHX24GMP3/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/IZDXGSZXB7ZPMLCNVBISGRI5XP7EAQHS/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org
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