Hi all, I am Jorge Vargas, Director of Partnerships at WMF. It was lovely to see many of you in person last week in Singapore! Hope you’re all doing well and energized after a week of celebration and learning, for those who were in person as well as online.
As Nicholas Perry shared on August 3rd on this list <https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/324UY5XRHZO2HZCFGYMMHWVADGGLLQVS/>, we are already working with Google to get more information from their Indexing team to learn more about how this works on their side. As he also mentioned, we don’t have any influence or can decide what Google indexes or where Wikimedia content ranks in their search. Some potential solutions would also rely more on our platform than theirs. Additionally, the Google folks at the “Mind the Gap” event in their Singapore office were probably not the best suited to provide further information on this particular topic, something we shared with Butch and others before Wikimania. Several Google representatives attended the entire Wikimania conference to learn more about our Communities and Movement. Hopefully, some of you had an opportunity to talk to them then. We’ve seen for the last years Google's increasing interest in learning and working closer with us to be as aligned as possible. In this line, we are working with them to find the right people to get more guidance about how indexing works. This matter has not only been raised with them already regarding Wikisource but also regarding some language Wikipedias as well. I will share an update on this thread as soon as more information is available. In the meantime, feel free to contact me, Nicholas, or partnersh...@wikimedia.org if we can clarify anything else. Best, Jorge On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 5:23 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > For many months I have been extremely frustrated with Wikisource due to > Google not indexing what is being added to it. I also suspect the problem > may have to do with Ilario Valderi and Galder described, the gadget > parafernalia under it, which seems to have got more complex by 2019 (I seem > to recall this coincides with new developments by WMF devs dedicated team, > namely concerning page organization, which may have been the culprit of > this?) > I'll experiment removing these complex gadgets and page framework from > some pages at the Portuguese Wikisource to see if the situation improves. > > Best, > Paulo > > Nanour Garabedian <garabedian.nanour.w...@gmail.com> escreveu no dia > quarta, 23/08/2023 à(s) 08:02: > >> +1 to this. I suggest adding what you indicated to the agenda of the next >> Wikisource Community meeting to request it formally from WMF on behalf of >> the user group. >> >> Best, >> NANöR >> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2023 at 3:08 AM Bodhisattwa <bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> The sessions at Google headquarters in Singapore were designed in a way >>> that there was no option to sit together and discuss this grave issue with >>> Google's Search team. I guess, the slim opportunity for the Wikisource >>> volunteers to discuss the issue directly with Google was unfortunately >>> lost. Now it is totally up to WMF and sysadmins to take it up and figure it >>> out themselves with Google. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Bodhisattwa >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 14:48 Butch Bustria <bustr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I think this is a good opportunity to discuss with Google's Search Team >>>> here in Singapore in 2 weeks time. >>>> >>>> You can register at Wikimania pre-Conference at this link: >>>> >>>> https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2023:Related_events/Mind_The_Gap >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Butch >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023, 5:13 PM James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Am having the same issue with Google poorly indexing MDWiki.org. I >>>>> have personally switched my default browser to duckduckgo as they index >>>>> much better. The two folks at Google who used to support their >>>>> collaborations with Wikipedia are no longer with the company. Not sure if >>>>> they have been replaced by anyone. >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 1, 2023 at 12:51 AM Bodhisattwa < >>>>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Apologies for cross-posting. >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who have not noticed till now, Google is not indexing any >>>>>> Wikisource language editions for the last couple of years which >>>>>> practically >>>>>> means that any Wikisource contents in any languages, which are being >>>>>> created in these years, are not searchable on Google and hence largely >>>>>> remain invisible on the web. >>>>>> >>>>>> This is an extremely demotivating and frustrating situation for the >>>>>> existing Wikisource volunteers to witness, draining away all of our past >>>>>> and current efforts to bring and retain viewers, readers, GLAM partners >>>>>> and >>>>>> any potential new editors. We already have a very low awareness and >>>>>> visibility about Wikisource among general internet users due to lack of >>>>>> organized support in these years but the invisibility on Google search >>>>>> engine could become the last nail in our coffin, unless it is fixed soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> There is a phabricator ticket raised by Darwinius back in December >>>>>> 2022 - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T325607. >>>>>> >>>>>> Can't this issue be put into priority by sys admins and WMF to work >>>>>> upon? Wikisource is still a sister project of Wikimedia and it needs some >>>>>> very basic care, after all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Bodhisattwa >>>>>> (Bengali Wikisource volunteer) >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>>>> guidelines at: >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>>> Public archives at >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/ECNVHN45JW67B6RADFYSQ3V43FJOB6KD/ >>>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> James Heilman >>>>> MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>>> guidelines at: >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> Public archives at >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RPHXHH7JTKELZQTO3PACVNNZL75IDPNJ/ >>>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, >>>> guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines >>>> and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> Public archives at >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/62N76Y6GUMXSQLRMJ6PT7RDDQMTOGOUL/ >>>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> Public archives at >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/4HCNDMP46DH3P3JDDVXQAEMJI266BZR7/ >>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines >> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> Public archives at >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/OJ7FUJ5F3POS5RAFPXOFHZOX2HPEDFY5/ >> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines > at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > Public archives at > https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/EUAU55BOLE27RA7MOSXHQ6M5MK7WLETB/ > To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-le...@lists.wikimedia.org -- *Jorge Vargas* (he/him) Director of Partnerships Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> M: (+1) 415.404.9536 I work from San Francisco, USA. 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