Dear Ansuman,
It is not clear what you mean by "No outcome". It would be helpful if
you could take up one of the plans, for instance Odia[1] which you are
more familiar with, and give some examples. Please feel free to
critically assess the plan and point out lacunas and suggest
improvements. This will help us with other language plans too.
Would appreciate if you could also post this feedback on the work plan
page on Odia Wikipedia [2] so that the larger Odia community will also
see it.
Thanks,
Vishnu
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Odia
[2] https://or.wikipedia.org/s/l7x
On Wednesday 16 April 2014 11:24 PM, ansuman wrote:
Vishnu, glad to see your prompt replies...not good enough..you left
some important points!!
All i see is plans and reports.. No outcome!
Ansuman
On 16 April 2014 21:28, Vishnu <visdav...@gmail.com
<mailto:visdav...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Dear Wikimedians,
Sharing the below some replies, which were put up on Meta [1], in
case you have missed seeing it. Sorry for cross-posting. It would
be good to continue the discussions on Meta.
On Monday 14 April 2014 12:24 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
(copy of this comment placed at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015
. We can continue discussing there)
Hi,
Thanks for the elaborate work plan.
1. The way the budget is presented at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015#Budget
is misleading. A good percent of this budget will be spent on
staff salary, travel logisitics and other things which will
not be there if the work is done by the community. So, this is
not the actual cost needed for the desired output but the cost
arising because of the involvement of paid professionals.
So besides this way of presenting the budget, there should
also be a regular way of presenting budget like how the
chapters are asked to submit during FDC application. It can be
noted that during the last round of FDC funding application,
WMIN faced very strict criterion regarding infrastructure
cost, staff salary cost.
Hi Ravi, thanks for engaging with the work plans and the
questions. Have tried to address some within the context of the
work plans.
We had shared a google spreadsheet [2], which gives a micro level
picture of the Budget against each of the planned activity. Also
each plan has an independent budget and is closely mapped on to
the implementation plan, and clearly lists the proposed expenses
for CIS-A2K staff costs and travel costs. An attempt is made to
correlate why we are spending a certain amount on a certain
activity. Thus all these budgets are very optimally planned and
the overall budget is an assimilation. CIS-A2K chose this design
to provide mission level transparency to our work and to provide a
clear structure of accountability to the movement and community.
However, based on your feedback we have realized that it would be
useful to also give item-wise break-up on Meta. We have given this
budget break-up here [3].
2. I have an eerie feeling that the community development work
in India is getting outsourced to NGOs like CIS at the cost of
crippling budding local chapters like WMIN. The way Hindi
Wikipedia seeks help for content management (fixing Google
articles) confirms my concern.
3. Where can I find WMF's open assessment of the work done by
CIS-A2K in the previous year? How is the cost for the work
done justified? If the cost if justified, then the actual
communities and the content they have developed on their on
own are worth many crores of Indian rupees. But, we face
strict guidelines when applying for grants whereas NGOs like
CIS don't have that strict criterion.
We feel it is more productive to see the complementarity between
the WMIN and CIS-A2K than to pitch them as competitors for
financial resources. The later would undermine trust-building and
consequently threatens the growing synergies between WMIN and
CIS-A2K. It is particularly intriguing that outsourcing is being
mentioned here as a model. Would be useful to have more clarity
and larger discussion on these. Probably, it would be apt to raise
these broader concerns on CIS-A2K's FDC proposal discussion page [4].
Best,
Vishnu
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015#Budget.2C_CIS_support_rationale_and_Assessment_by_WMF
[2]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AshSF7ZKRBR5dGpMUnNKdHItUFJGMHluQUFxZGRHMmc&usp=sharing#gid=4
[3]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Draft_Work_plan_July_2014_-_June_2015/Budget
[4]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form
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