Dear Ansuman,

It is not clear what you mean by "No outcome". It would be helpful if you could take up one of the plans, for instance Odia[1] which you are more familiar with, and give some examples. Please feel free to critically assess the plan and point out lacunas and suggest improvements. This will help us with other language plans too.

Would appreciate if you could also post this feedback on the work plan page on Odia Wikipedia [2] so that the larger Odia community will also see it.


On Wednesday 16 April 2014 11:24 PM, ansuman wrote:
Vishnu, glad to see your prompt replies...not good left some important points!!
All i see is plans and reports.. No outcome!


On 16 April 2014 21:28, Vishnu < <>> wrote:

    Dear Wikimedians,

    Sharing the below some replies, which were put up on Meta [1], in
    case you have missed seeing it. Sorry for cross-posting. It would
    be good to continue the discussions on Meta.

    On Monday 14 April 2014 12:24 PM, Ravishankar wrote:

        (copy of this comment placed at
        . We can continue discussing there)


        Thanks for the elaborate work plan.

        1. The way the budget is presented at

        is misleading. A good percent of this budget will be spent on
        staff salary, travel logisitics and other things which will
        not be there if the work is done by the community. So, this is
        not the actual cost needed for the desired output but the cost
        arising because of the involvement of paid professionals.

        So besides this way of presenting the budget, there should
        also be a regular way of presenting budget like how the
        chapters are asked to submit during FDC application. It can be
        noted that during the last round of FDC funding application,
        WMIN faced very strict criterion regarding infrastructure
        cost, staff salary cost.

    Hi Ravi, thanks for engaging with the work plans and the
    questions. Have tried to address some within the context of the
    work plans.
    We had shared a google spreadsheet [2], which gives a micro level
    picture of the Budget against each of the planned activity. Also
    each plan has an independent budget and is closely mapped on to
    the implementation plan, and clearly lists the proposed expenses
    for CIS-A2K staff costs and travel costs. An attempt is made to
    correlate why we are spending a certain amount on a certain
    activity. Thus all these budgets are very optimally planned and
    the overall budget is an assimilation. CIS-A2K chose this design
    to provide mission level transparency to our work and to provide a
    clear structure of accountability to the movement and community.
    However, based on your feedback we have realized that it would be
    useful to also give item-wise break-up on Meta. We have given this
    budget break-up here [3].

        2. I have an eerie feeling that the community development work
        in India is getting outsourced to NGOs like CIS at the cost of
        crippling budding local chapters like WMIN. The way Hindi
        Wikipedia seeks help for content management (fixing Google
        articles) confirms my concern.

        3. Where can I find WMF's open assessment of the work done by
        CIS-A2K in the previous year? How is the cost for the work
        done justified? If the cost if justified, then the actual
        communities and the content they have developed on their on
        own are worth many crores of Indian rupees. But, we face
        strict guidelines when applying for grants whereas NGOs like
        CIS don't have that strict criterion.

    We feel it is more productive to see the complementarity between
    the WMIN and CIS-A2K than to pitch them as competitors for
    financial resources. The later would undermine trust-building and
    consequently threatens the growing synergies between WMIN and
    CIS-A2K. It is particularly intriguing that outsourcing is being
    mentioned here as a model. Would be useful to have more clarity
    and larger discussion on these. Probably, it would be apt to raise
    these broader concerns on CIS-A2K's FDC proposal discussion page [4].


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