On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I recently encountered http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2015/09/02/code-of-conducts-and-worthless-manfeelings/ on Twitter - it's an interesting read and brings up a couple of points definitely worth thinking about, namely that the intent behind a CoC is not to be the be-all and end-all of user safety but instead to set a very minimum bound of what is acceptable.
On 5 September 2015 at 17:39, Oliver Keyes <oke...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email > you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you > might have. > > On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER <rupert.thur...@gmail.com> wrote: >> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen <mflasc...@wikimedia.org> >> wrote: >> >>> There is consensus at >>> >>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps >>> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few >>> sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other >>> ones). This allows progress without requiring people to monitor all >>> sections at once and lets us separate the questions of “what are our >>> goals here?” and “how should this work?”. After these sections are >>> finalized, I recommend minimizing or avoiding later substantive >>> changes to them. >>> >>> The first sections being finalized are the intro (text before the >>> Principles section), Principles, and Unacceptable behavior. These >>> have been discussed on the talk page for the last two weeks, and >>> appear to have stabilized. >>> >>> However, there may still be points that need to be refined. Please >>> participate in building consensus on final versions of these sections: >>> >>> * >>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft >>> >>> * >>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft >>> >>> If you are not comfortable contributing to this discussion under your >>> name or a pseudonym, you can email your feedback or suggestions to >>> conduct-discuss...@wikimedia.org . Quim Gil, Frances Hocutt, and >>> Kalliope Tsouroupidou will be monitoring this address and will >>> anonymously bring the points raised into the discussion at your >>> request. >>> >>> >> lol, consensus among whom, to what? i am against it (i'd love to send the >> reasons in another mail though), do i count, and it is still consensus? >> probably not, because i did maybe two unimportant commits for kiwix. i >> would prefer if you would be so kind to define one measurable criteria for >> the question "do we need a code of conduct", no matter if entry or success >> criteria. e.g >> >> * 50 volunteers from different part of the world saying that we need it >> * 20% of committers want it >> * after one year 20% more volunteer commits are done >> >> other critieria like "people attending conferences", or "mails written" >> would be a bad idea, as the goal is to have more contributions, not more >> conference tourists or mailing list tourists. what you think, matt, or quim >> ? >> >> best, >> rupert >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation -- Oliver Keyes Count Logula Wikimedia Foundation _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
