The first and last paras are particularly worth quoting: > Earlier this year I pulled out of a conference because the organiser and I > disagreed on code of conducts. Specifically I thought there should be one, > and he did not. He did eventually add one, but refused to define unacceptable > behaviour. Myself and another woman pulled out.
... > I don’t feel safe because there is a code of conduct. But I tell you one > thing that makes me feel unsafe – men who will endlessly, vociferously argue > against them. Maybe a code of conduct isn’t meaningful. But at this point, > refusing to listen, refusing to have one. Well, that is. - d. On 5 September 2015 at 23:07, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: > On the general subject of codes of conduct and what they bring (or > don't bring) in terms of user safety and a sense of inclusion, I > recently encountered > http://www.catehuston.com/blog/2015/09/02/code-of-conducts-and-worthless-manfeelings/ > on Twitter - it's an interesting read and brings up a couple of points > definitely worth thinking about, namely that the intent behind a CoC > is not to be the be-all and end-all of user safety but instead to set > a very minimum bound of what is acceptable. > > On 5 September 2015 at 17:39, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]> wrote: >> Why don't you comment on any of the three links provided in the email >> you're replying to? That seems like an obvious venue for concerns you >> might have. >> >> On 5 September 2015 at 17:32, rupert THURNER <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Matthew Flaschen <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> There is consensus at >>>> >>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft#Next_steps >>>> that the best way to finalize the CoC draft is to focus on a few >>>> sections at once (while still allowing people to comment on other >>>> ones). This allows progress without requiring people to monitor all >>>> sections at once and lets us separate the questions of “what are our >>>> goals here?” and “how should this work?”. After these sections are >>>> finalized, I recommend minimizing or avoiding later substantive >>>> changes to them. >>>> >>>> The first sections being finalized are the intro (text before the >>>> Principles section), Principles, and Unacceptable behavior. These >>>> have been discussed on the talk page for the last two weeks, and >>>> appear to have stabilized. >>>> >>>> However, there may still be points that need to be refined. Please >>>> participate in building consensus on final versions of these sections: >>>> >>>> * >>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft >>>> >>>> * >>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_for_technical_spaces/Draft >>>> >>>> If you are not comfortable contributing to this discussion under your >>>> name or a pseudonym, you can email your feedback or suggestions to >>>> [email protected] . Quim Gil, Frances Hocutt, and >>>> Kalliope Tsouroupidou will be monitoring this address and will >>>> anonymously bring the points raised into the discussion at your >>>> request. >>>> >>>> >>> lol, consensus among whom, to what? i am against it (i'd love to send the >>> reasons in another mail though), do i count, and it is still consensus? >>> probably not, because i did maybe two unimportant commits for kiwix. i >>> would prefer if you would be so kind to define one measurable criteria for >>> the question "do we need a code of conduct", no matter if entry or success >>> criteria. e.g >>> >>> * 50 volunteers from different part of the world saying that we need it >>> * 20% of committers want it >>> * after one year 20% more volunteer commits are done >>> >>> other critieria like "people attending conferences", or "mails written" >>> would be a bad idea, as the goal is to have more contributions, not more >>> conference tourists or mailing list tourists. what you think, matt, or quim >>> ? >>> >>> best, >>> rupert >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> >> >> >> -- >> Oliver Keyes >> Count Logula >> Wikimedia Foundation > > > > -- > Oliver Keyes > Count Logula > Wikimedia Foundation > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
