No problem, feel free to contact me further if needed. Thanks, Zppix Volunteer Developer for WMF www.enwp.org/User:Zppix
On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Victoria Coleman <[email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Zppix. I think that’s an awesome idea! Let me work with Quim to > see what is possible and when and I will get back to you. > > Best, > > Victoria > > > On Apr 28, 2017, at 3:52 PM, zppix e <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Victoria, re-quoting from my original reply: "A suggestion would be to > host > > a annual cloud (remote) hackathon type event where participants can join > > via hangouts. I'd be willing to help organize this if need be. I think it > > would help users that may not be comfortable traveling or don't feel like > > applying for travel funds from WMF or don't have the funds in general. I > > also think this would help users that aren't per say developers get their > > issues heard and worked on without waiting months for a task to be > > seen/replied/worked on. It could also be used by developers to talk with > > WMF staff "face to face". " > > > > Thanks, > > Zppix > > Volunteer Developer for WMF > > www.enwp.org/User:Zppix > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Victoria Coleman < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> Hi there, > >> > >> I think I am having a(nother) senior moment! I don’t recall what event > you > >> have in mind. Sorry! Can you please remind me? > >> > >> Victoria > >> > >>> On Apr 28, 2017, at 2:25 PM, zppix e <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Victoria, > >>> Thanks for replying quickly, however what about the event I suggested, > >> any > >>> thoughts on that? > >>> > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Victoria Coleman < > >> [email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi there, > >>>> > >>>> Quim and his team have indeed thought through the totality of tech > >>>> community events and I am sure he can respond here with his thoughts. > >>>> Regarding the MediaWiki roadmap, the thinking is that by publishing it > >> we > >>>> a/make planning for 3rd party users much more feasible, b/inform the > >>>> community about what the Foundation will be doing so that we can avoid > >>>> overlap, and c/hopefully incentivize broader participation by the > >>>> community in the formulation and delivery of the roadmap. > >>>> > >>>> I hope this makes sense. > >>>> > >>>> Victoria > >>>> > >>>>> On Apr 27, 2017, at 11:35 AM, Isarra Yos <[email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>>> Different events serve very different purposes, though - hackathons, > >> for > >>>> instance, seem to be largely useful for onboarding newcomers and > giving > >>>> staff and other occupational contributors an opportunity to work on > >>>> projects separate from their usual work, basically whatever they feel > >> like > >>>> doing, as opposed to what they have to. But these often don't do much > >> for > >>>> established volunteers, as a result, who generally just work on > whatever > >>>> they feel like all the time already. Have you looked into how the > roles > >> of > >>>> these different events fit together across all the different groups, > and > >>>> how scopes affect them (regional, topical, etc)? This would also be > >> useful > >>>> for chapters/groups planning their own events. > >>>>> > >>>>> How exactly is publishing a roadmap going to help facilitate > community > >>>> contributions? > >>>>> > >>>>> -I > >>>>> > >>>>> On 27/04/17 03:11, Victoria Coleman wrote: > >>>>>> Hi Isarra, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> thank you for the question. We want to support our diverse technical > >>>> communities in a variety of ways. One of our key tools are the > >> hackathons, > >>>> where we hope to welcome both seasoned and new volunteer developers. > We > >>>> want to support them not just by providing a series of events but also > >> with > >>>> tools and WMF staff time. These are the key goals of our new Wikimedia > >>>> Cloud Services team. They build and make labs and tools available and > >>>> participate in the hackathons to onboard newcomers and in general > assist > >>>> volunteers. Another key change we are making this year is creating the > >>>> MediaWiki Platform team who as well as doing much needed work on the > >>>> codebase will also facilitate contributions and planning with the > >> volunteer > >>>> community by publishing a roadmap. And as Quim notes below we are > >> changing > >>>> the nature of the Dev Summit to have it focus on the strategic > >> technology > >>>> issues and decisions the Movement is faced with. As such it is an > event > >>>> that might appeal more to the seasoned members of our community. > >> Attendance > >>>> for the summit will be decided on the basis of position papers for WMF > >>>> staff and volunteers alike. I am personally excited about the lineup > of > >>>> events this coming year. But as always we learn and adapt. If we > >>>> collectively decide to try for a different configuration the following > >>>> year, we can totally do that. Please keep the feedback coming! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Victoria > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:23 PM, Isarra Yos <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Regarding the Developers Summit in particular, how do you plan to > >>>> reconcile making the event smaller with your goal of better retention > of > >>>> newcomers and volunteers in general when that's often the only venue > >> they > >>>> have at which to discuss the high-level technical issues with other > >>>> stakeholders? Volunteer and third-party developers are not privy to > >> most of > >>>> the usual venues afforded to WMF staff such as inter-team meetings and > >>>> events, and yet they make up an important part of the overall > >> stakeholder > >>>> community that these issues impact. They - we - need to be able to > >>>> participate in these discussions, and the Developers Summit is one of > >> very > >>>> few opportunities even open to us where we can make our voices heard. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -I > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 20/04/17 07:28, Quim Gil wrote: > >>>>>>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 1:14 AM, Quim Gil<[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hi, the Wikimedia Foundation has published a draft of its Annual > >> Plan > >>>>>>>>> FY2017-18 > >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > >>>> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft> > >>>>>>>>> and it welcomes your review. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I want to highlight here the improvements that we are proposing > to > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>> developer events (co)organized by the WMF. From local to global: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> The Technical Collaboration team proposes to combine multiple > >>>> activities > >>>>>>>>> (often disconnected) in a single program focusing on onboarding > new > >>>>>>>>> developers > >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > >>>> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Community_Engagement# > >>>> Program_12:_Onboarding_new_developers>. We > >>>>>>>>> want to work with the Wikimedia technical community to bring a > new > >>>> wave of > >>>>>>>>> developers to our projects, and events play an important role. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Local developer events > >>>>>>>>> We want to support developers and organizations willing to reach > >> out > >>>> to > >>>>>>>>> specific groups and geographies. We are hoping to see many local > >>>> developer > >>>>>>>>> meetups and small hackathons or workshops around the World, > >> starting > >>>> small > >>>>>>>>> and simple. We should be able to offer introductory materials, > >>>> contacts > >>>>>>>>> with Wikimedia developers in the region, maybe travel budget to > >> send > >>>>>>>>> experienced volunteers to help mentoring the in the bigger > events, > >>>> maybe > >>>>>>>>> travel budget to invite the best newcomers to our regional and > >> global > >>>>>>>>> events. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Adding tech to regional Wikimedia events > >>>>>>>>> Last year we experimented organizing technical workshops in > >>>> WikiArabia, > >>>>>>>>> and others have done similar efforts in other regional events > (for > >>>>>>>>> instance, a small hackathon next to WikiConference India). We > want > >>>> to work > >>>>>>>>> with the organizers of these regional events in order to attract > >>>>>>>>> experienced Wikimedia developers and newcomers, organize > developer > >>>>>>>>> activities, and also improve the collaboration between the > >> technical > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>> non-technical contributors in these regions. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Better retention of newcomers at the Wikimedia and Wikimania > >>>> hackathons > >>>>>>>>> Although we don't expect major changes in the organization of the > >>>>>>>>> Wikimedia Hackathon and the hackathon at Wikimania, we want to > >> focus > >>>> better > >>>>>>>>> on new developers onboarding and retention. In every Hackathon we > >>>> meet many > >>>>>>>>> new developers, but the retention rates are very low. We want to > >>>> review > >>>>>>>>> what we can do before, during, and after these apparently > >> successful > >>>> events > >>>>>>>>> in order to retain newcomers better. One hypothesis is that we > >>>> should focus > >>>>>>>>> call for participation, scholarships, and Wikimedia Foundation > >>>>>>>>> participation in providing a great experience to new volunteers > who > >>>> have > >>>>>>>>> gone through local and regional events, and also "junior" > >> developers > >>>> coming > >>>>>>>>> from wiki projects through the development of bots, gadgets, > tools, > >>>>>>>>> templates. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A smaller and more focused Wikimedia Developer Summit > >>>>>>>>> After some discussions between Community Engagement, Technology, > >> and > >>>>>>>>> Product, we have decided to propose a different approach for the > >>>> Wikimedia > >>>>>>>>> Developer Summit. Organized by the Technology department as part > of > >>>> their technical > >>>>>>>>> community building > >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > >>>> Annual_Plan/2017-2018/Draft/Programs/Technology#Program_4: > >>>> _Technical_community_building> > >>>>>>>>> efforts, we want the Summit to finally become the venue where the > >>>> toughest > >>>>>>>>> technical problems are discussed between the stakeholders > directly > >>>> related. > >>>>>>>>> We want to reduce the size/budget of the event, separate it from > >> the > >>>> WMF > >>>>>>>>> AllHands, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Due to travel budget considerations, the Summit still might be > >>>> connected to > >>>>>>>> the WMF AllHands. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> and define its main themes well in advance. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A Program Committee<https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160996> > >>>> would > >>>>>>>>> decide these main themes to be discussed at the Summit. We also > >> want > >>>> to > >>>>>>>>> explore the possibility of tackling some of these themes at the > >>>> Wikimedia > >>>>>>>>> Hackathon and Wikimania, where we could get most stakeholders > >>>> involved with > >>>>>>>>> just a little extra effort (since many of them would be attending > >>>> anyway). > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> We believe that this approach will serve better the Wikimedia > >>>> technical > >>>>>>>>> community that we have, and also the the community that we want > to > >>>> have, > >>>>>>>>> with a new wave of developers joining our various projects. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>>>> Quim Gil > >>>>>>>>> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation > >>>>>>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list > >>>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > >>>>>> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list > >>>>>> [email protected] > >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list > >>>>> [email protected] > >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikitech-l mailing list > >>>> [email protected] > >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikitech-l mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikitech-l mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikitech-l mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
