Is there any historical evidence that sysops being able to edit JS /
CSS caused some serious issues? Your point that "most of
administrators don't understand JS / CSS" is kind of moot. They are
usually trustworth and intelligent people. They don't mess up with
something they don't understand and therefore it makes little sense to
restrict them from being able to do that.

I remember that many years ago there was an attempt to split sysop
group on English Wikipedia to multiple smaller roles and it horribly

I understand your points, but do we really need it? Is it going to
improve anything?

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 1:58 PM, Gergő Tisza <> wrote:
> Hi all,
> per the discussion on Phabricator, I'd like to split the administrator
> ("sysop") user group into two parts - one which can edit sitewide CSS/JS,
> and one which can not. You can find the details and detailed rationale in
> the task:
> To inform the editor communities, and to make sure we can accommodate their
> needs, I plan to run a community consultation; I'll probably kick it off on
> Friday and have it run for two weeks. You can find the draft here:
> I would appreciate if folks who are knowledgeable about the use of CSS/JS
> editing and user rights management in various parts of the community could
> look at it and add their concerns or suggestion to the talk page (or
> Phabricator if that's more appropriate). Suggestions for a better group
> name are especially welcome.
> (As I wrote it in the FAQ on the consultation page, I think making sure
> that MediaWiki is secure and at the same time empowers its users falls
> under the authority of the developer community, and so the normal code
> review process is appropriate for this change. Thus the consultation is not
> intended to be an RfC or other discussion/veto type process. If you
> disagree about the change in general, please discuss that on Phabricator,
> or the linked Gerrit patches.)
> Thanks!
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