Dane, Could you qualify that statement please?  I have to admit that in some 
respects NVDA is also very much floundering in the dark.  There are add-ons 
which make more functionality possible, that is true.  But in some respects 
NVDA is a little like the blind leading the blind.  Window-Eyes, on the same 
screen, (RollBAck's Main Menu, for instance), is far more functional and easy 
to navigate.  Also on some websites NVDA just gets itself in a total tangle, 
whereas other screen-readers including Window-Eyes cope very well.  I haven't 
yet had the opportunity to try the same resources with Jaws, but I'm sure it 
would handle them fine.  So what I'm asking you is how specifically Window-Eyes 
has gone down hill?  Perhaps if you could qualify what you're saying, others 
could try the same experiments to see what results they get.  Be mindful also 
of the fact that it is entirely possible that local configuration parameters 
can often profoundly impact on the performance of high level r
 esources such as Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that is why I am asking you to 
qualify your statement.

I am not advocating GW Micro, nor am I defending them.  I merely am interested 
to know what you mean.

Harping back to a previous comment you made about Windows 8 in another post, 
can you qualify that too?  You said, I believe, that you haven't tried Windows 
8.  If that is the case, how do you support your comments regarding 
accessibility?  Are you taking your information from the comments of others?  
If so, as somebody who has used and is using Windows 8, I would like to know 
what the original author of the accessibility issues comment was eluding too.  
Again, as somebody who has used it for quite some time, I find it to be at 
least as accessible as Windows 7, profoundly more accessible than Windows Vista 
and, once you get used to the new interface, just as accessible and navigable 
as Windows XP which, as I believe Chris also pointed out on list some time ago, 
will be discontinued as of 30 June 2014.  Indeed, I believe that Office 2007 
support is also to be discontinued shortly if it hasn't already been.

I remember that when I installed Window-Eyes version 8, I read something in 
GW's documentation about "Limited" support for Office 2013.  If that is the 
case, they had better get their proverbial skates on.  NVDA appears, for 
example, to work fine with Word 2013, although I have not yet tried any of the 
other Office components.  System Access also appears very usable with Windows 
8, although I haven't as yet tried it with Office 2010 or Office 2013.

Kind regards

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On 12 Jul 2013, at 14:36, Dane Trethowan <[email protected]> wrote:

> I've given this a great deal of thought.
> 
> I hoped to be able to order the Social-Eyes last week but that will have to 
> wait a little longer but despite all of this I have to confess myself 
> somewhat disappointed that GW Micro are spending a whole heap of resources 
> trying to sell Social-Eyes, Gw Connect and God only knows what else at the 
> neglect of the main product which GW Micro is famous for, that being 
> Window-Eyes.
> 
> I installed the latest version on 1 of my PC's yesterday and to say that 
> Window-Eyes has gone downhill in a very short period of time would certainly 
> be an understatement.

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