Hi Dane Just to correct you on one issue here. I'm using Windows 7, not Windows 8, on my machine with RollBack. For some reason I'm getting an odd error when I try to install RollBAck on My HP Pavilion G6 which runs Windows 8 Professional. I can only think that the error is due to the way HP does things. I think the system partition is hidden and, because RollBAck cannot modify the boot sector, it's complaining. But anyway, RollBack is odd under Windows 7. When you say it works, are you saying that you can update the baseline, reset to baseline, etc., using NVDA? On my Samsung laptop running Windows 7 Ultimate, the button to update/reset the baseline simply are not there.
Kind regards <--- Gordon Smith ---> <[email protected]> Telephone: United Kingdom: Free Phone: 0800 8620538 Mobile: +44 7907 823971 Europe and other non-specified: +44 1642 688095 United States Of America And Canada: +1 646 9151493 Or: +1 209 436 9443 Vic. Australia: +61 38 8205930 Vic. Australia +61 39 0284505 Fax: +44 1642 365123 Follow Us On Twitter: <http://twitter.com/maciosaccess> Skype: <skype:mac-access-dot-net?call> ------------------------------ On 12 Jul 2013, at 17:07, Dane Trethowan <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, I believe you've mentioned your problems with NVDA and Rollback several > times and I have to admit that's very odd! I've had no trouble whatever. > > I asked around as I know others who use NVDA and Rollback and they've > reported nothing odd in the behaviour so buggered if I know, only thing I can > come up with is that perhaps its something to do with Windows 8 but surely > that can't be the reason given that you have no access issues with Windows 8 > and other people seem to, I have no access issues at all! yet given that I > don't use Windows 8 at the moment though I'm likely to in the future so > here's to an open mind <smile>. > > Ah well, they say that if problems seem to be too complex then they most > likely are so best keep out of it. > > > On 13/07/2013, at 12:15 AM, Gordon Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dane, Could you qualify that statement please? I have to admit that in some >> respects NVDA is also very much floundering in the dark. There are add-ons >> which make more functionality possible, that is true. But in some respects >> NVDA is a little like the blind leading the blind. Window-Eyes, on the same >> screen, (RollBAck's Main Menu, for instance), is far more functional and >> easy to navigate. Also on some websites NVDA just gets itself in a total >> tangle, whereas other screen-readers including Window-Eyes cope very well. >> I haven't yet had the opportunity to try the same resources with Jaws, but >> I'm sure it would handle them fine. So what I'm asking you is how >> specifically Window-Eyes has gone down hill? Perhaps if you could qualify >> what you're saying, others could try the same experiments to see what >> results they get. Be mindful also of the fact that it is entirely possible >> that local configuration parameters can often profoundly impact on the >> performance of high leve l > r >> esources such as Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that is why I am asking you to >> qualify your statement. >> >> I am not advocating GW Micro, nor am I defending them. I merely am >> interested to know what you mean. >> >> Harping back to a previous comment you made about Windows 8 in another post, >> can you qualify that too? You said, I believe, that you haven't tried >> Windows 8. If that is the case, how do you support your comments regarding >> accessibility? Are you taking your information from the comments of others? >> If so, as somebody who has used and is using Windows 8, I would like to >> know what the original author of the accessibility issues comment was >> eluding too. Again, as somebody who has used it for quite some time, I find >> it to be at least as accessible as Windows 7, profoundly more accessible >> than Windows Vista and, once you get used to the new interface, just as >> accessible and navigable as Windows XP which, as I believe Chris also >> pointed out on list some time ago, will be discontinued as of 30 June 2014. >> Indeed, I believe that Office 2007 support is also to be discontinued >> shortly if it hasn't already been. >> >> I remember that when I installed Window-Eyes version 8, I read something in >> GW's documentation about "Limited" support for Office 2013. If that is the >> case, they had better get their proverbial skates on. NVDA appears, for >> example, to work fine with Word 2013, although I have not yet tried any of >> the other Office components. System Access also appears very usable with >> Windows 8, although I haven't as yet tried it with Office 2010 or Office >> 2013. >> >> Kind regards >> >> <--- Gordon Smith ---> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >> Telephone: >> >> United Kingdom: Free Phone: >> 0800 8620538 >> >> Mobile: >> +44 7907 823971 >> >> Europe and other non-specified: >> +44 1642 688095 >> >> United States Of America And Canada: >> +1 646 9151493 >> Or: >> +1 209 436 9443 >> >> Vic. Australia: >> +61 38 8205930 >> Vic. 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