[Winona Online Democracy] Here is big second to everything Chris and Craig said!
Move the Knopp Valley and Gilmore Valley intersection down to Saint Mary's, build two frontage roads, put in stop lights, reduce speed limits up and down the hill, block off existing entrances, and possibly re-route the trucks around Hwy 23. Rivers and roads are tough buggers at times. They don't follow our arbitrary political boundaries. They flow through city, county, state, and sometimes federal "fences." Those of us inside our little fiefdoms have a tough job, we need to work with others who have their own fiefdoms to take care of. We need to have a pow wow of City, County, State, MN DOT, SMU, Chamber of Commerce/trucking firms, local residents, and others to begin work on this dangerous traffic problem. Lastly, traffic problems are not normal or natural. They are the result of bad planning or no planning. (This is not a criticism of any one elected body, responsibility lies at many levels.) I hope we can improve upon our individual and joint planning processes. Dwayne Voegeli November 8, 2004 ------ >Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2004 23:28:00 -0600 (Central Standard Time) >From: "Chris Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Winona] Highway 14, Knopp Valley, Co. Rd. 21 and SMU >Status: > >[Winona Online Democracy] > > >Content-Type: Multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; > boundary="------------Boundary-00=_OUHUQL80000000000000" > >There is a sign on highway 14 roughly across from Kwik Trip that directs >trucks to the weigh station. I can only recall about 4 or 5 times in the >past 6 years that I've seen the sign opened up indicating trucks to turn up >61 to the weigh station though (doesn't mean that it hasn't been open more >than that though). > > > >The service drive idea is an excellent one that a few of us have talking >about. It would cost much less, and I would bet in the long run cause less >headaches. Other suggestions such as over and underpasses I think would be >way to costly for the state, city, and county but are also good ideas. >There aren't any overpasses over the train tracks in Winona and the city has >been here for over 150 years. Hwy 43 is Main St. in Winona and the state >hasn't put one there so I would doubt they would put one in on hwy 14. We >should also address the intersection of hwy 14 and Old Goodview Rd. Cars >going into town making a left turn onto this roadway are in danger of being >rear ended too. I've seen a few accidents there. > > > >While we are at changing speed limits........hwy 43 needs to have the speed >limit lowered at the city limits too. Cars pulling onto 43 from the >developments also have to judge the speeds of cars and trucks in the 55 zone >there. > > > >Chris Nelson > > > >-------Original Message------- > > > >From: Craig Brooks > >Date: 11/07/04 13:12:06 > >To: WOD > >Subject: [Winona] Highway 14, Knopp Valley, Co. Rd. 21 and SMU > > > >[Winona Online Democracy] > > > >There have been more public input sessions and invites regarding the traffic > >issues on 14 where it comes into the city at the base of Stockton Hill. I > >hope something can be done. I wonder why there can't just be one > >intersection out there with a light. Service roads could connect the > >traffic on each side of 14. The speed limit could be set to stay at 35 from > >the sharp corner near the top of the hill all the way into town instead of > >allowing traffic to speed up to 55+ going down hill. Trucks could take the > >23 route from Stockton to Minnesota City -- that's the railroad route. If > >14 being a state road is such a major legal hurtle, why not trade the State > >the Stockton to Winona section of 14 for the Stockton to Minnesota City > >section of 23? I remember the only reason I ever heard for trucks coming > >down 14 instead of using 23 was to avoid the Weigh Station. If that's the > >case, move the Weigh Station to the top of Stockton Hill. > >The trucks speeding up to get up that hill and the trucks speeding down it > >are the major problem. > > > >Craig Brooks > >(previous Gilmore Valley resident) > > > ><(���)> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy > >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. > >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. > >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit > >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona > >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to > >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page >at > > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > >. ><HTML><HEAD> ><META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> ><META content="IncrediMail 1.0" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> ><BODY style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left 0px; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0px >10px 10px; COLOR: #00005b; BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat; FONT-FAMILY: Arial" >text=#00005b bgColor=#eff3f7 >background=cid:9056F98E-4573-4079-93F4-8119FEB73139 scroll=yes >SIGCOLOR="0" ORGYPOS="0"> ><TABLE id=INCREDIMAINTABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0> ><TBODY> ><TR> ><TD id=INCREDITEXTREGION style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; >FONT-SIZE: 12pt; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; CURSOR: auto; PADDING-TOP: 0px" >vAlign=top width="100%"> ><DIV>There is a sign on highway 14 roughly across from Kwik Trip that >directs trucks to the weigh station. I can only recall about 4 or 5 >times in the past 6 years that I've seen the sign opened >up indicating trucks to turn up 61 to the weigh station though >(doesn't mean that it hasn't been open more than that though).</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>The service drive idea is an excellent one that a few of us >have talking about. It would cost much less, and I would bet in >the long run cause less headaches. Other suggestions such as >over and underpasses I think would be way to costly for the state, >city, and county but are also good ideas. There aren't any >overpasses over the train tracks in Winona and the city has been >here for over 150 years. Hwy 43 is Main St. in Winona and the state >hasn't put one there so I would doubt they would put one in on hwy >14. We should also address the intersection of hwy 14 and Old >Goodview Rd. Cars going into town making a left turn onto this >roadway are in danger of being rear ended too. I've seen a few >accidents there.</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>While we are at changing speed limits........hwy 43 needs to have >the speed limit lowered at the city limits too. Cars pulling >onto 43 from the developments also have to judge the speeds of cars and >trucks in the 55 zone there.</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>Chris Nelson </DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV id=IncrediOriginalMessage><I>-------Original Message-------</I></DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV id=receivestrings> ><DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>From:</B></I> <A >href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Craig Brooks</A></DIV> ><DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Date:</B></I> 11/07/04 >13:12:06</DIV> ><DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>To:</B></I> <A >href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]";>WOD</A></DIV> ><DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt" <i><B>Subject:</B></I> [Winona] >Highway 14, Knopp Valley, Co. Rd. 21 and SMU</DIV></DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>[Winona Online Democracy]</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>There have been more public input sessions and invites regarding the >traffic</DIV> ><DIV>issues on 14 where it comes into the city at the base of Stockton >Hill. I</DIV> ><DIV>hope something can be done. I wonder why there can't just >be one</DIV> ><DIV>intersection out there with a light. Service roads could >connect the</DIV> ><DIV>traffic on each side of 14. The speed limit could be set >to stay at 35 from</DIV> ><DIV>the sharp corner near the top of the hill all the way into town >instead of</DIV> ><DIV>allowing traffic to speed up to 55+ going down >hill. Trucks could take the</DIV> ><DIV>23 route from Stockton to Minnesota City -- that's the railroad >route. If</DIV> ><DIV>14 being a state road is such a major legal hurtle, why not trade the >State</DIV> ><DIV>the Stockton to Winona section of 14 for the Stockton to Minnesota >City</DIV> ><DIV>section of 23? I remember the only reason I ever heard for >trucks coming</DIV> ><DIV>down 14 instead of using 23 was to avoid the Weigh >Station. If that's the</DIV> ><DIV>case, move the Weigh Station to the top of Stockton Hill.</DIV> ><DIV>The trucks speeding up to get up that hill and the trucks speeding >down it</DIV> ><DIV>are the major problem.</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>Craig Brooks</DIV> ><DIV>(previous Gilmore Valley resident)</DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV><(���)></DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV> </DIV> ><DIV>_______________________________________________</DIV> ><DIV>This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy</DIV> ><DIV>All messages must be signed by the senders actual name.</DIV> ><DIV>No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list.</DIV> ><DIV>To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please >visit</DIV> ><DIV><A >href="http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona";>http://mapnp.mnforu >m.org/mailman/listinfo/winona</A></DIV> ><DIV>Any problems or suggestions can be directed to</DIV> ><DIV><A >href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</A>< >/DIV> ><DIV>If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the >Contact page at</DIV> ><DIV> <A >href="http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org";>http://www.winonaonlinedemocrac >y.org</A></DIV> ><DIV>.</DIV></TD></TR> ><TR> ><TD id=INCREDIFOOTER width="100%"> ><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%"> ><TBODY> ><TR> ><TD width="100%"></TD> ><TD id=INCREDISOUND vAlign=bottom align=middle></TD> ><TD id=INCREDIANIM vAlign=bottom >align=middle></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><SPAN >id=IncrediStamp><SPAN dir=ltr><A >href="http://www.incredimail.com/index.asp?id=54791";><IMG alt="" hspace=0 >src="http://www2.incredimail.com/contents/stamps/hug.gif"; align=baseline >border=0></A></SPAN></SPAN></BODY></HTML> >Content-Type: Image/jpeg; > name="BackGrnd.jpg" >Content-ID: <9056F98E-4573-4079-93F4-8119FEB73139> > >Attachment converted: Macintosh HD:BackGrnd.jpg (JPEG/JVWR) (0000DA1F) >_______________________________________________ >This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy >All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. >No commercial solicitations are allowed on this list. >To manage your subscription or view the message archives, please visit >http://mapnp.mnforum.org/mailman/listinfo/winona >Any problems or suggestions can be directed to >mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >If you want help on how to contact elected officials, go to the Contact page at > http://www.winonaonlinedemocracy.org > ------------ Dwayne Voegeli Winona County Commissioner (507) 453-9012 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 359 Pleasant Hill Dr. Winona, MN 55987 ------------ _______________________________________________ This message was posted to Winona Online Democracy All messages must be signed by the senders actual name. 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