[Winona Online Democracy]
I agree with Daren, How naive can you folks be? People want this annexation? Take a poll. Even an informal one, either people don't know whats going on or they don't want the annexation. It isn't about wanting to live out in Spring Brook. If that is the case there's a house for sale here now, and one just sold after being on the market for nearly a year. Statements like Mr Finns' are inflamatory because they push the need to talk about this and get informed under the table.
Pay attention to what is happening. Let me give you the latest example. The Township came to the table on Monday ready to sign the agreement (again). On Friday when they left, the City stated they would include an AUAR in the agreement to be DONE within three years. I have a document from the City's own attorney that clearly states this!!! On Monday when the Township goes to sign the agreement, the language is not what they agreed on. The City tells the press that the Township didn't sign the agreement after having a "done deal" on Friday. It was "done" until the City changed the agreement AGAIN over the weekend but the City should fooled you guys into believing it was the Township that was 'untrustworthy'..
A City Council Member calls the Township unturstworthy on Monday night and goes on to state incidences of poor stewardship of land by the Township. NOT ONE incident he stated was under the governership of the Township. Not one was true, but yet the public heard this. How naive can you people be? Jim you called the leaders of this city "fathers". Well heaven forbid I would have a father that would lie and cheat the public. If any of you are interested in getting your heads out of the sand, let me know I have documents to back up everything I have just talked about. Thiese are public records, they are your right to see as well if you want to really understand the issues at hand.
Does the Township have deep pockets? Does the citizens of Winona like to waste tax money? They are allowing their leaders to do this. Doesn't matter how deep the Townships pockets are. Where are the values of the citizens of Winona? Pay nearly nine million dollars out to two parcels of land that add up to less than 80 acres. What a waste of taxpayers money. It's your call, you are allowing your "fathers" to do this by remaining silent.
Janice Turek
----- Original Message ----- From: "Daren Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jim Galewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Online Democracy" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Winona] Wilson
[Winona Online Democracy]
Jim and all,
Contrary to popular belief, the city has been the one, time and time again, that has backed down from their previous verbal agreement. Through this whole ordeal, the city has prematurely made a press release that "an agreement has been reached". What the city would then do is change their stand and Wilson would reject it because it wasn't what they had verbally agreed upon......a decision many Wilson residents would, and do, want the Supervisors to do. Then the next thing the press would report would be that Wilson rejected the offer. It's a game the city is playing against the Township to get the public on their side. I would assume you're well aware of how the city can use the WDN to their advantage. The city has told many half truths and lies throughout this whole process.....two of which were told by a city representative at the Wilson Hearing and exposed that very same night by other speakers in front of a whole room of Wilson residents as well as some city residents. Do you really expect Wilson residents or Supervisors to trust these people when they flat out, face to face, lie to the residents?!?!? There has even been an editorial in the WDN about the mistrust caused by the comments at that meeting. And the major lie from that night is not one this city person can deny in any way either.
There has been, however, one instance when the Township has brought something new to the table, that was after the public hearing with the Wilson residents......The town supervisors have stated all throughout the process that they would only sign an agreement after presenting it at a public hearing to the Wilson residents. The city was well aware of this all along.
Another instance of misleading info is the city saying the sewer extension won't raise taxes. They say it's coming from the sewer fund. So, it may technically not be labeled a tax, but the bottom line is it's still coming from the citizens. Another line that a city council person has told me is that "the sewer and water fund is in good shape, so the impact on my bill will be minimal". How did this fund get to be in good shape.....I would only think it came from the citizens.
Daren Engler
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Galewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Online Democracy" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Winona] Wilson
[Winona Online Democracy]
John-all:
I guess I'm one of those silent taxpayers of the city. I could argue that it
wouldn't cost the city anything if the Township would just agree to the
annexation.
The city's (Our) share of the legal fees will come out of future tax
revenue. Wilson will be raising its budget to fight the annexation. Wilson
residents will see an increase in taxes. I wouldn't be surprised to see the
legal cost of fighting this annexation equal or exceed the entire Wilson
township budget.
Unlike Winona Township - which became annexed by the way - The tax impact
was softened by the township being solvent.
Does Wilson Township have a six figure annexation war-chest? If not, the
taxpayers will have to build one. I can see why Wilson people might not
like annexation, but how many times should the city come to the bargaining
table to have the township get cold feet.
The city fathers have better things to do.
Jim Galewski
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:27:32 -0500 To: Online Democracy <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Winona] Wilson
[Winona Online Democracy]
"Why am I not hearing any citizens of Winona commenting on who/how their lawyer fees are being paid? Are the citizens of the city not realizing their taxes are going to go up to pay for a lawyer."
Playing devil's advocate here: Maybe Winonans feel it's money well spent since the annexation is their best shot at also being able to live the Springbrook livestyle. Pam Eyden wrote an opinion piece in the newspaper a while back about the futility of everyone trying to live "upstream" from everyone else, but I not personally aware of many who would agree.
John N. Finn
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