I agree that the economic model which might make most sense is a
Telco/HW/consolidator venture such as Earthlink/??/Boingo.  In that
scenario:

1.  Telco provides their customers a DSL/Cable modem with WiFi AP
hardware built in. 
2.  Telco offers WiFi client cards to customers via a co-marketing
program.  
3.  Telco packages this as a "premium" service with the following
benefits:

        a.  Customer gets home WiFi in one small box
        b.  Customer gets roaming access to other Telco/consolidator
sites
        c.  Telco builds a network on their own bandwidth, reducing the
"theft" argument.

Potentially this opens a lot of possibilities for the Telco;
Voice-over-IP telephony, etc.

...dtw


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Todd Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Well,  a CWN is not a global internet, it is a local apparatus
>that has an upstream (the internet gateways, which must be
>paid for) and it has a downstream (users of gateways and
>routes to reach them) and there is not going to be any CWN
>unless USERS are willing to pay a few bucks.

So the NoCat people should build a PayPal subscription system into 
NoCatAuth? Or we all just use one of the commercial roaming systems like

Boingo/Joltage? [1]

The too free to bill approach actually makes quite a lot of sense in 
several scenarios.
- So few people use my node that I won't bother. Anyway I'd pay for the 
bandwidth anyway for my own use so it's not costing me anything extra.
- I'll just mark it up to advertising. I've only got to sell 3 extra 
coffees a day to cover it and I'll use the bandwidth myself in the 
evening anyway.

Where it might be a pain is in the first scenario except that your 
location means that there are 10s of people using it all the time.

[1]There is a trick here that Boingo-Joltage have spotted and somebody 
will make work, which is the global roaming system for the rest of us on

an MLM-franchise model. The T-Mobile-Starbucks-BT Openzone approach is 
very capital intensive and will never get universal coverage. But some 
tie up between a Telco and hardware-software manufacturers might be able

to put a package together where the operator made money as well. So 
who's M$ going to partner with then?

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