Since you are shooting from a hill to a valley, your problem may be due to a 
temperature inversion. These can form ducts/reflections and cause even microwave 
signals to "skip".  Although a lot of hams love this kind of condition, in your case, 
it is detrimental to your signal.  This in addition to fresnel zone intrusion and 
WAP11 radio receive sensitivity and output power could all play a role in making this 
worse than it should be.  

This "85 degree" thing also makes it sound like it could be hitting some sort of 
temperature threshold on your WAP11.  Direct sunlight could  heat it well beyond 85 
degrees, crippling your hardware.

There is no real good answer to this problem.  All we can do on this list is rattle 
off things it could be, it will be up to you to use this information and determine 
what the actual problem is.

-----Original Message-----
From: Loren Zemenick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:37 PM
To: Casey Halverson; Loren Zemenick; Wireless
Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Why might a 5 mile link degrade during hot weather?


Casey,

One antenna is on a 10 foot pole on a hill. The line-of-sight 
dips 3 degrees
to the valley floor below. The second antenna is   about 2 feet 
above and 15
feet from the edge of a sloping composite shingle roof. Aesthetic issues
with the homeowner prevented a taller pole. I realize this is a 
sub-optimum
situation but thought if the roof acted as a reflector, the 3 degree
reflected RF would miss the 24 dbi antenna. This thinking is 
irrelevant if
the composite shingle scatters the incident RF energy.

The puzzling part is that the link degrades from solid to no 
connection in
hot weather.

Grasping for theories, I have stretched so far as to postulate 
that trees in
the Fresnel zone have a higher water content when actively 
photosynthesizing
under bright sun and with hot air temperatures. This extra 
water drops the
signal strength on a marginal link into non-operation.

Any thoughts you might have are appreciated.

Loren Zemenick


-----Original Message-----
From: Casey Halverson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:21 AM
To: Loren Zemenick; Wireless
Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Why might a 5 mile link degrade during hot weather?


How high are each of your antennas?  Is there an altitude 
difference between
the two or are they level?



-----Original Message-----
From: Loren Zemenick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:17 AM
To: Wireless
Subject: [BAWUG] Why might a 5 mile link degrade during hot weather?


I have a 5 mile 802.11b link that works fine until air
temperatures exceed
around 85 F. Over a period of about an hour, the percentage of
missed pings
grows from zero to 100 percent. Link endpoints are Linksys
WAP11 (ver 2.6)
configured as a point-to-point bridge with 24 Dbi horzontally polorized
antennas.  The WAP11's and power supplies have been cooled with
no effect.
Some trees are in the Frenel zone.  The problem happens weekdays and
weekends. With WAP11's I don't know of a way to measure signal
strength or
quality.

Does anyone have any suggestions as to what might be causing
the outage or
how to troubleshoot the problem?

Regards,
Loren Zemenick

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