hi Dave,
  Your point is well taken, and we certainly want to be "good neighbors".
The link sizes (at this point) are very small, typically under 1 mile.
However, the density of 802.11 equipment in the area is very high.  It's
getting to the point where I'm considering baking some SDWUG cookies and
visiting all the Linksys/DLink/Netgear APs (which all seem to use default
SSIDs) and begging them to unplug their AP and use our free network 
instead.  :-)

Take it easy,
   -Lee
San Diego Wireless Users Group
http://www.sdwug.org
http://www.socalfreenet.org

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, David Young wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 09:57:08PM -0800, Lee Barken wrote:
> > Well, the problem isn't the client access method (802.11b to the clients).
> > The problem is the backhaul (in our case, also 802.11b).  Given the
> > enormous "clutter" in the 2.4GHz band, we're finding it increasingly
> > difficult to build reliable links between our rooftops.
> 
> I am curious. How long are these links? Is the clutter apparent at
> the omni "hub" or on the directional "spokes," both, or neither? Is it
> 802.11 clutter?
> 
> Do you think that you are interfering with other operators? Occasionally
> home APs interfere with the rooftop network I run in Urbana.  I am
> pretty certain that the Urbana rooftop network is (for the most part)
> invisible to those APs, because the receiver on a home AP is not
> ordinarily as sensitive as the Senao receivers.  This puts our network
> at a disadvantage getting access to the medium. To compensate for the
> unevenness in receivers, I have considered raising the energy thresholds
> for transmit-deferral and for reception, but I have not gotten around to
> it yet. I don't know if this will help us, let alone the San Diego net,
> but it is something to consider.
> 
> Dave
> 
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