Wow, OK, I stand corrected... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
single was $405 at maple net. Mac Dearman wrote: > OUCH! I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius > > Mac Dearman > Maximum Access, LLC. > www.inetsouth.com > www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief efforts) 318-728-8600 - Rayville > 318-728-9600 > 318-376-2562 - cell > > > > > Rick Smith wrote: > >> >> Travis has gotta be full of it! >> >> Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never >> got prices better than 420... >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices >> >> You get Trango cheaper? Prices please! >> >> Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>> Wow.... that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual >>> polarity integrated antennas. ;) >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> Ron Wallace wrote: >>> >>>> My Man. Brian, Excellent. >>>> >>>> ---- Original message ---- >>>> >>>> >>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500 >>>>> From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [WISPA] >>>>> Canopy buying group prices To: WISPA General List >>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> >>>>> Read it and weep "nay sayers" ;-) >>>>> >>>>> I found a VAR to work with. >>>>> >>>>> Prices for canopy 900. >>>>> >>>>> Connectorized- $262.60 >>>>> Integrated- $328.7 >>>>> >>>>> All details are being posted to "Principal Members List". >>>>> You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the offer. >>>>> I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR. Pay up to >>>>> WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you could use a >>>>> month (you won't be committed to this, it's just for a general >>>>> idea) >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> Ron Wallace wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save >>>>> some money, good. >>>>> >>>>> Ron Wallace >>>>> >>>>> ---- Original message ---- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500 >>>>> From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: >>>>> [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List >>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> >>>>> I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it. >>>>> >>>>> First step. Principal Members only. You want a deal, fork over >>>>> 200 some bucks and support the industry. >>>>> Second step. Find 10 people who want ten units. (500 if >>>>> possible, >>>>> >>>>> but >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> prolly 100 pack to start) >>>>> Third step. Go to moto website and look up resellers. >>>>> fourth step. Call resellers and get quote. Say "look here. I >>>>> have a buying group. I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards >>>>> and shipped >>>>> >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 10 addresses. Send me a quote to email" Forward quote to next >>>>> >>>>> reseller >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> and go from there. Whoever is cheaper wins. If they want the >>>>> >>>>> business >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal. Am >>>>> I acting like a know it all Charles? Would all the resellers say >>>>> screw you if I approached like this? >>>>> If all resellers say we can't do this.....then I would (big trust >>>>> >>>>> here) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship >>>>> >>>>> from >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> here. Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra >>>>> shipping....don't know what that would be, but it would be figured >>>>> before hand. >>>>> >>>>> I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work. Only >>>>> >>>>> question >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> is how warranty is handled. By MAC addy or by who bought the radio. >>>>> >>>>> Someone let me know if my approach is out of line. Never done >>>>> this >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls) >>>>> >>>>> Brian >>>>> >>>>> A. Huppenthal wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Charles, >>>>> >>>>> I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact >>>>> >>>>> is >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't >>>>> difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a >>>>> closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to >>>>> >>>>> apples. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization. >>>>> >>>>> However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send >>>>> >>>>> Jim, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy >>>>> SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need >>>>> >>>>> support, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer. >>>>> Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell >>>>> direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to >>>>> distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed >>>>> here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*.. >>>>> >>>>> Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly >>>>> doesn't support group buys. >>>>> >>>>> The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it >>>>> >>>>> ends >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> when the product is delivered. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Charles Wu wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up >>>>> eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in >>>>> being a volume club. >>>>> </snip> >>>>> >>>>> We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP >>>>> >>>>> and >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> getting a T1 line >>>>> >>>>> Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can >>>>> personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution >>>>> (which is what your >>>>> proposing) >>>>> than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP >>>>> >>>>> Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying >>>>> >>>>> group >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor >>>>> >>>>> will >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> require cash up front for the purchase >>>>> >>>>> So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses >>>>> Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase >>>>> >>>>> that 500 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA / >>>>> Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then, >>>>> WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy >>>>> to repackage / ship stuff >>>>> >>>>> On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to >>>>> purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> unforseen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> things >>>>> that always happen in deployments (e.g., lightning, customers >>>>> >>>>> don't >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> sign >>>>> on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town) >>>>> >>>>> So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell >>>>> >>>>> excess >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> units >>>>> >>>>> Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative >>>>> >>>>> fee / >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> margin to compensate) >>>>> >>>>> In the meantime, either >>>>> >>>>> 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy >>>>> line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price >>>>> (therefore causing a >>>>> >>>>> huge >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> loss) >>>>> 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new "flavor >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> month" and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/ >>>>> >>>>> $100k >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> worth of boat anchors >>>>> >>>>> -Charles >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>> CWLab >>>>> Technology Architects >>>>> http://www.cwlab.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Brian Rohrbacher >>>>> Reliable Internet, LLC >>>>> www.reliableinter.net >>>>> Cell 269-838-8338 >>>>> >>>>> "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>>>> >>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >>>>> Ron Wallace >>>>> Hahnron, Inc. >>>>> 220 S. 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