The downside of proprietary systems is the being 'held hostage' to the one manufacture....  As some of us have already discovered.

And just because you have a network based on 'proprietary system', don't think you are 'safe'.  You are not.

Blair

Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
I did it to expose the problems associated with 802.11b/g which is a
technology that was NOT designed for what it is being used for today. I
think several people on the list realized what tricks can be done with
the SSID and now they are smarter because I posted it. The whole point
of the post is that you need to use a proprietary solution that was
designed for WISP usage. If you were a professional WISP you would be
using such solution and thus YOU and YOUR customers would not be subject
to someone doing this to you.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of George
Sent: Wednesday, December 28, 2005 11:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

Kurt
Your killing me.

This has to be the lowest underhanded thing I've heard on these list 
from a fellow wisp.

The goal to win is a fine goal, but winning by cheating is not a win at 
all, it's an admission of failure.

You need to understand that integrity and success go hand in hand.

Shaking my head.

George

And I only let you off lightly because your a young kid,


Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
  
I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each 
other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their 
clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try
    
to 
  
hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant figure
    
out 
  
why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up clients in my area.

 

Kurt Fankhauser

WAVELINC

114 S. Walnut St.

Bucyrus, OH 44820

419-562-6405

www.wavelinc.com

 

-----Original Message-----
*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
    

  
*On Behalf Of *Rick Smith
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM
*To:* 'WISPA General List'
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

 

actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if 
it'd start a fire.  It's something I'd thought of, but you can't route
    

  
based on Virtual AP SSID

 

Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on a
    

  
wholesale level...

 


    
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*On Behalf Of *Scott Reed
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name?
    
They 
  
call the competitor who says, "We don't do that."  Then what, do you
    
get 
  
called by the competitor?
I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name
    
help 
  
you?

I like the wholesale idea though.  I may have to pursue that in the
    
future.
  
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>

The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas,
    
because
  
Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe!

*---------- Original Message -----------*
From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP

    
 Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only
      
do 
  
DSL) :)
    
 I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to
      
a 
  
local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" -
    
 the virtual SSID thing was a natural win...

 Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit 
      
because of the virtual ssid's ...
    
 R

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
      

  
On Behalf Of Pete Davis
    
 Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP

 Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a 
      
secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it.
    
 Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful 
      
during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so
    
 you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid.
 I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on
      
the 
  
same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward
    
 residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for 
      
business customers.
    
 I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you
      
create 
  
a bunch of APs on one radio.
    
 I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on
      
an 
  
AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each
    
 client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me
      
to 
  
kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE?
    
 Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it 
      
switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time
    
 Division Multiplexing.

 Pete Davis
 NoDial.net
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