I've got working VOIP on my network, beta-tested and ready to roll out
but without e911. I like VOIP, because I have people subscribing to our
service just so they can get Vonage and ditch their land line - but this
whole e911 thing is a fscking nightmare.
At what point does it make more sense to say screw the 911 and just go
forward? Aren't there a bunch of VOIP providers out there doing this
already? The cellcos have bought out their 911 requirements year after
year. I sense a court case in the making that will either force 911
adoption or throw it out for voip carriers. It is definitely a gray
area right now.
Tom DeReggi wrote:
Revenue: 174.0 million net Loss $189.6million
our marketing expenses were $176.3million."/
That would support my arguement that there is no part of the equation
more valuable than the portion responsible for the unique access to
the consumer via a verticle sell.
So if I'm a wireless company, and its just thirty seconds to say,
"would you like a VOIP phone with that broadband service" at order
time, its worth gold.
Way more than 10-14% commissions. Should we be paying our wholesale
VOIP provider only $5 out of the $25 that we charge? Thats what it
would infer by Vonage's numbers above.
Maybe Vonage should have taken partners more seriously?
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Because Vonage et al, sell Resi VOIP cheaper than TDM Voice.
Why? Easier to market. Easier to take orders (notice I did not say
But termination will be going up (already seeing rising costs for
E-911 is not cheap (nor is it nationally available).
You can try to work with a friendly CLEC (or become one).
But Voice is way different from Data.
One bad 911 and you are being sued and possibly jailed.
Wouldn't you rather offer services that aren't competing against the
You would be better off selling cellular for a residual than selling
Vonage was going to IPO last year for $660M; this year they are
looking for $220M
"Vonage Holdings Corp. Founded in 2001, the Edison (N.J.) provider of
Internet phone service has raised $210 million and last year racked
up about $100 million in revenue. It has spent enough on marketing in
a bid to make itself a household name, and several VCs say it will go
public this year or next. But critics complain that while its ads
attract new customers, it doesn't retain as many as it should."
"Om says Vonage IPO. I don't think they can wait. Reports are their
growth is slowing, that costs are rising and that founder Jeffrey
Citron has a bundle of his own cash in the venture."
In 2006: /"The street writes: Vonage Holdings, moved to become the
first major Internet telephony player to go public by filing
Wednesday to raise up to $250 million via an initial offering of
stock and named a Tyco International executive as CEO. Our revenues
were $18.7million in 2003, $79.7million in 2004, and $174.0 million
for the nine months ended Sept. 30, 2005," the company's prospectus
says."While our revenues have grown rapidly, we have experienced
increasing net losses, primarily driven by our increase in marketing
expenses. From the period of inception through Sept.30, 2005, our
cumulative net loss was $310 million. Our net loss for the nine
months ended Sept.30, 2005, was $189.6million. During the same
nine-month period, our marketing expenses were $176.3million."/
Jason Hensley wrote:
What about for those of us in small markets where the large VoIP
players don't have access numbers? What is your opinion on them
coming here? For instance, I'm in an area where the closest VoIP
provider's number is 100 miles away with probably 25 or so NXX's
that cannot call it locally. Not a feasible decision for a local
business as any phone calls to them will be long distance for local
residents. Is there a case for or against partnering / working with
a CLEC who has the ability to be WAY more flexible than the ILEC's,
have them drop you DS1's / PRI's / whatever and work with them on
getting local VoIP numbers for the folks in these areas? I'm
getting more and more people who want wireless Internet SOLELY
because they do not have a home phone line other than their cell
phone. Do you see that as what we're headed to? I do and I don't
personally. I think there will be a market of some kind for that,
but I feel as well that for at least the foreseeable future (say 10
years or so), markets such as mine will not be doing away with
wireline. Too many challenges for both cellular providers, and
WISP's due to terrain and sparseness of population.
I guess I'm having a hard time understanding why it cannot be
profitable, at least on some level.
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