How do you figure?
You don't think 5.4 is going to solve part of that?
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
> Frankly,
>
> The FCC should really hurry up and finish the rules to allow the
> industry
> to
> really take off. The common view with most manufacturers I have found
> is
> that until there is 3.5ghz or near spectrum available, there will be
> small
> and limited deployments of wisp size and not many large scale
> deployments
> outside of 2.5ghz or 700 mhz operators.
>
> -
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/24/06 6:14 AM, "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> All the same time, the industry doesn't bother to fill out their Form
>> 477s
>> also
>>
>> The sad thing is is that there are long term consequences towards
>> "flaunting
>> the rules" -- namely the fact that you are just reinforcing the ILEC
>> argument that unlicensed spectrum just creates a bunch of "cowboys"
>> that
>> can't be taken seriously
>>
>> Heck, even Marlon knows better than to wear his skin-tight pink
>> flamingo
>> suit when he represents the industry in DC
>>
>> -Charles
>>
>> -------------------------------------------
>> CWLab
>> Technology Architects
>> http://www.cwlab.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> On
>> Behalf Of jeffrey thomas
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
>>
>>
>> In the larger scale of things- when you compare this to a carrier
>> deployment
>> which would deliver thousands of CPE's service, this is a test. I know
>> of
>> one company that has recieved 28 STA's for 14 markets, for over 2000
>> CPE.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:33:33 -0400, "Gino A. Villarini"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> said:
>>> Do you really think towerstream need 150 field units or cpes to
>>> "test"
>>> a single base station?
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> On Behalf Of Jack Unger
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:07 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
>>>
>>> Gino,
>>>
>>> Is Towerstream doing this - using 3650 to deliver commercial service?
>>>
>>> jack
>>>
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini wrote:
>>>
>>>> Towerstream anyone ?
>>>>
>>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> On Behalf Of Jack Unger
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:56 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey,
>>>>
>>>> I have to question the "judgement ability" (or the lack of it) of
>>>> anyone
>>>> who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a licensed
>>>> "experimental" system and using it for a commercial,
>>>> revenue-generating
>>>> purpose. Someone who would do this is (IMHO):
>>>>
>>>> 1. Someone with no business sense
>>>> 2. Someone with no appreciation of (or experience with) the
>>>> enforcement
>>>> powers of the FCC
>>>> 3. Someone who will likely turn out to be their own worst enemy
>>>> 4. NOT someone who I could rely upon to provide me reliable,
>>>> long-term
>>>> WISP service.
>>>> jack
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jeffrey thomas wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Patrick,
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesnt change the fact that many have launched "limited"
>>>>> deployments as a "test" but still charged for the access service,
>>>>> banking on the fact that the FCC has set the band aside for
>>>>> unlicensed anyways, and that the chance of the FCC cracking down on
>>>>> them is very low.
>>>>>
>>>>> Im not saying this is right, but reality is such that they will be
>>>>> evenutally amending the rules and the gear according to my sources
>>>>> that is available today will be compliant. *shrug*
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, "Patrick Leary"
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any
>>>>>> commercial services using 3650MHz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM
>>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>>>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be
>>>>>> "breaking the law" w/ a 3650 deployment
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------
>>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> Cc: <[email protected]>;
>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:32 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [equipment-l] Experimental Licensing in the 3650 MHz
>>>>>> Band -
>>>>>> Clarifications
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Recently, there have been some misleading advertisements promising
>>>>>> turn-key 3.65 GHz licensing services as a means of avoiding
>>>>>> interference in congested
>>>>>> license-exempt ISM/UNII bands. Although the FCC issued adopted
>>>>>> rules
>>>>>> back
>>>>>> in March 2005 to open access to new spectrum for wireless
>>>>>> broadband
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 3.65 GHz band, a "minor" contention-based requirement has delayed
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> deployment of wireless broadband services in this band as
>>>>>> equipment
>>>>>> manufacturers currently work behind the scenes to iron out the
>>>>>> details.
>>
>>>>>> As
>>>>>> things currently stand, deploying a 3.65 GHz system today falls
>>>>>> under
>>>>>> Subpart 5: Experimental Radio Service of the FCC Rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Infrastructure Investment & Experimentation under Part 5 needs to
>>>>>> be done strictly from a "curiosity" perspective rather than one of
>>>>>> "commercial network expansion." Part 5 permits experimentation in
>>>>>> scientific or technical operations directly related to the use of
>>>>>> radio waves. The rules provide the opportunity to experiment with
>>>>>> new techniques or new services prior to submitting proposals to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> FCC to change its rules.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some useful excerpts regarding Experimental Licensing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 47CFR5.3: Scope of Service
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stations operating in the Experimental Radio Service will be
>>>>>> permitted to conduct the following type of operations:
>>>>>> (a) Experimentations in scientific or technical radio research
>>>>>> (b) Experimentations under contractual agreement with the United
>> States
>>>>>> Government, or for export purposes.
>>>>>> (c) Communications essential to a research project.
>>>>>> (d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques.
>>>>>> (e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for
>>>>>> authorization
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> any other service.
>>>>>> (f) Demonstration of equipment to prospective purchasers by
>>>>>> persons
>>>>>> engaged in the business of selling radio equipment.
>>>>>> (g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or
>>>>>> regulatory
>>>>>> approval of such equipment.
>>>>>> (h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering
>>>>>> data
>> not
>>>>>> related to an existing or proposed service, including field or
>>>>>> factory testing or calibration of equipment.
>>>>>> (i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational
>>>>>> data
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service.
>>>>>> (j) Limited market studies.
>>>>>> (k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under
>>>>>> paragraphs (a) through (j) of this section will be considered upon
>>>>>> demonstration of need
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 47CFR5.51: Eligibility of License
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) Authorizations for stations in the Experimental Radio
>>>>>> Service
>> will
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> issued only to persons qualified to conduct experimentation
>>>>>> utilizing radio waves for scientific or technical operation data
>>>>>> directly related to a use
>>>>>> of radio not provided by existing rules; or for communications in
>>>>>> connection
>>>>>> with research projects when existing communications facilities are
>>>>>> inadequate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 47CFR5.63: Supplementary Statements
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) Each applicant for an authorization in the Experimental
>>>>>> Radio
>>>>>> Service
>>>>>> must enclose with the application a narrative statement describing
>>>>>> in detail the program of research and experimentation proposed,
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> specific objectives sought to be accomplished; and how the program
>>>>>> of experimentation
>>>>>> has a reasonable promise of contribution to the development,
>>>>>> extension,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> expansion, or utilization of the radio art, or is along lines not
>> already
>>>>>> investigated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For further information regarding experimental licensing, the FCC
>>>>>> has a nice online FAQ that gives a step-by-step how-to on
>>>>>> experimental licensing: http://www.fcc.gov/oet/faqs/elbfaqs.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>> CWLab
>>>>>> Technology Architects
>>>>>> http://www.cwlab.com
>>>>>>
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