Do you really believe that? I know the comments you made in regard to 911
compliance I countered with facts I can backup. Therefore, your ideas on
911 compliance were either just made up or worse, your lawyer agreed with
you on them.
You are making a gross misunderstanding.
I did not make up anything. I simply stated an idea. I never claimed to
have any backup for that idea, thats why it was an idea, and I was inquiring
this lsit full of experts.
I never gave advise on the topic, nor did I ever say what I was suggesting
I am very new on this topic (VOIP E911 Compliant) and by no way represented
myself as the expert in the debate.
However, I dod recognize myself as an inteligent person who is capable of
bringing up thought that other WISP might also think about when considering
how they plan to offer VOIP.
I hadn't been that worried about compliance. My plan had always been to use
you for my VOIP, because you were compliant. However, I as well need to
consider how I will be able to be compliant when using your services as
well. Its an area I need to learn about and understand.
If you didn't check your ideas against the FCC's order, asked an FCC
staffer for an opinion, or verified them with a lawyer then my statement
above --no matter how disrespectful you may find it-- would seemingly be
I didn't think you were directing the "making things up" at me specifically,
but maybe you were based on your responses.
Just because I question you, does not mean that I think you are wrong. If
anything you should feel honored, as I a mrespecting you as an individual
that may have the answers to the question or situations that I bring up.
I'm all for people thinking for themselves, looking, and sharing ways to
deal with regulations as they come up. However, when one's contributions
to such a discussion is not informed then I don't think it helps anyone
survive, save money, or stay competitive.
Another one of your annoying responses....
Are you saying you are better than others on this list (such as me), and
only a select few have the right to have an opinion worthy to discuss with
I'd argue that your comments on this thread had pretty much been worthless
until certain people challenged your point of view, and forced you to
disclose in more detail the reasons to backup your statements. Your backup
explanations WERE VERY VALUABLE to the readers. But you didn't get that
information out all by yourself. It required people proding you and
challenging you to challenge yourself to disclose the answers. I'd argue
that an open list to all members of any level for discussion is more
valueable for everyone.
If you don't agree with that, I'm not sure why you are discussing VOIP on an
open WISP list, instead you should set up a list for the ELITE VOIP
Again, in order to use a lawyer in such a manner then you must be
informed. How can you suggest possibilities to your lawyer if you haven't
read the order?
I agree, I as well as any otehr WISP considering VOIP should probably read
Thirdly, regulation is not just a legal issue, it is also a technical
issue. I don't care how much council you get and how good they are,
Lawyers rarely understand the minute details that differentiate
technical issues. Historically, even the best lawyers, tend to be
technically challenged. I know I service them daily. Why, because
their time is more valuable, so they pay others to learn the technical
stuff for them. I don't trust a lawyer any more than a congressman to
understand detailed technical issues of our industry, that we have
trouble understanding ourselves as the experts in it everyday full time.
(no disrepect meant to the legal profession, and there are some legal
council that are technically savy of course, some that have even advised
on this list).
I think you have just made a gross generalization about an entire
industry. For example, patent attorneys are required to have a technical
background and often possess a Phd in their field of specialization.
Additionally, I know for a fact that several of our attorneys are more
knowledgeable about the PSTN and 911 both legally and technically than I
Good for you, if you found them (attorney that is both technical and legal
expertised), and can afford them.
Fourthly, Why should everyone pay for legal council and replicate costs,
when we can share knowledge learned. There are many places to learn
other than jsut legal council. Studying FCC comments, learning at trade
shows, or reading common publications. I don't see much "Making it up".
Although I do see a lot of "IDEAS".
Please point me to FCC comments, trade show presentations, or
publications that you used for your ideas. Certainly, without those
sources then those ideas must be made up.
My idea was made up, that is the definition of an idea. Someone having
original thought. That means they made it up.
You said, "makes things up". I hguess it all depends what you are referring
to by "things". When you said "things", I thought you were referring to the
"law", the "regulations", What is definitively "compliant". Based on that
definition of "Things", I in no way "made things up". If you define "things"
as "ideas", sure I'm guildy as charged, I had an "idea".
Fifthly, Sometimes people don't pay legal council because its just not
cost effective during the idea phase. I'm sure most people do consult
council, just like you, at the appropriate time.
What is the appropriate time? Before or after one has stated publicly on
a mailing list their position.
I never stated my position. I shared Ideas and asked questions.
I'm not stupid enough to spend $400 an hour shooting the breeze about ideas
with an attorney.
The appropriate time is before someone decides to invest significant dollars
into their vision that exceed the legal cost to get council.
Or before someone sells services publically, and concerned about liabilty.
Or when they feeel like, and its no longer a science project but a serious
You don't think that if someone has a serious injury due to the failure of
a 911 call that public archives might be searched to see if the offending
organization was negligent.
If you think paying council, is discovering the complete undisputable
answer, you are fooling yourself. Thats why they have judges. To
determine which point of view is correct, when the point of view between
two legal teams on a toipic differ. Your legal council, is just one
preception of the law. And I'm interested in hearing your perceptions as
well, as the perceptions of the others on this list.
The correct answer isn't as important as a legally defendable answer. If
I am advised by counsel that I am complying with the law and am later
found not to be by a judge then my lawyer is at fault.
That I agree with.
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