Patrick... I find the 48V power thing a HUGE problem. almost every site I have now is 12V powered...
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ neofast.net - fast internet for North East Oregon and South East Washington email me at mark at neofast dot net 541-969-8200 Direct commercial inquiries to purchasing at neofast dot net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:09 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived > Marlon, > > You say "most of my towers have fewer than 25 users on them..." In > response to that reality we created a version of the VL AU for rural > markets. We came to realize that the cost of a regular of VL AU where > likely user counts are low simply was not economical. So we came up with > the AUS. Three VL sectors using the AUS will support 75 users. An AUS > (list of $2,595) has a limit of 25 attachments, but it can be upgraded > if the demographics will support it; it is otherwise no different from a > regular VL AU. Three AUS sectors will cost you about $6k, so about 2.4x > your more modest three sector arrangement. The install will be easier, > so that will make up a little (unless you don't count your time as a > cost). But that will also support about 100mbps net so you can figure > the math in terms of what can be delivered to subs at your chosen > oversubscription. And you know it will do that at range LOS since the > CPE has an integrated 21dBi MTI. > > Patrick Leary > AVP WISP Markets > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > Vonage: 650.641.1243 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:55 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived > > It's much closer Patrick. That's for sure. > > Let run some numbers though. > > Tranzeo or Inscape Data ap: > $450ish. Will deliver an honest 3 to 4 megs to almost anyone at ranges > up > to 10 miles. 1 to 2 megs out to 15 miles. > Sector antenna, $400. > Or omni and amp, $500 to $700 depending on the quality of the amp and > antenna. > This'll handle roughly 75 to 100 users pretty easily. > If we need 3 sectors we're still at $2500 or so for the whole pop, > battery > backup, switch, cables etc. If we're lucky that'll even include > backhaul. > > For CPE the cost is gonna be around: > 15dB integrated antenna version (good to 3 to 5 miles) $180ish > 18dB version (out to around 8 miles) $200ish > $12ish for antenna brackets (I don't buy the cheap ones, only the good > ones > from PacWireless) > $10 to $20 for cable ($.15 to $.25 per foot) > Misc. nuts and bolts $20. > We're at $225 $250 per sub plus labor. > > Connectorized version, $180ish > 24dB grid antenna, $90ish (I don't buy cheap antennas, only Andrew cast > magnesium (same as the Alvarion ones)) > Mount, $12 > Misc. nuts and bolt, tape etc. $20 > Cable, $10 to $20. > > This one comes in closer to $350 when it's all said and done. > > Believe me, I understand about the long term maintenance costs too. But > > I've got to compete against cable, dsl, fiber to the home or all of the > above in ALL of my population density centers and a lot of my rural > areas. > > Most of my towers have fewer than 25 users on them. Many are under 10. > Only a few are anywhere near 50 and one serves around 100. Last year we > > installed over 80 new radios (some of them were for our use, some were > upgrades etc.) and have, so far, around 60 new subs. This with > basically no > marketing effort at all, and in the face of amazing competition. Per > customer there are VERY few out there that have more competitive > services. > > Our network now spans around 6000 square miles. It's taken over 20 > sites > with nearly 30 ap's to do this. Our growth potential is really good. > But > not in all areas, some areas there just aren't any homes, so there won't > be > any more customers coming. > > We are NOT running business grade services on anyone's wifi gear. Today > > we're using Trango. $1200ish per ap and $300ish per cpe (averaged out). > > They'll deliver 8 to 9 megs of real world throughput right out of the > box. > Great security and flexibility. > > Alvarion has been loyal to WISPA and Trango's still not here though. I > want > to go play with the new Alvarion gear, I don't have any single area with > > enough growth to keep me in the program though. Even with resi. > customers > tossed in. If I were in Spokane, Seattle, Yakima etc. it would be a no > brainer for me. The interference robustness, the scalability, the > upgradeability etc. all make this a much more cut and dried decision. > Especially the inference issues. I look at what we fight with out here > with > relatively few alien devices in the air. How guys like Forbes keep > their > customers running is a mystery to me. The manpower overhead has to be a > > killer. > > How do those numbers compare with a similar VL solution???? Help me > find a > way to justify the big boy toys. Trust me, the idea that I'd not need > to do > any work on my network appeals to me more and more with every new > customer. > But we're still taking care of things with 1.75 people and I spend an > average of 25% to 30% of my day on these lists and other WISPA type > duties > so I probably really only count for a 3/4 time person. If I'd totally > automate my billing, get rid of my time on the lists and forward the > office > calls to my cell phone I could probably do this with one person. > (saving > around $17,000 per year in payroll) But who wants to work that hard > forever? And Mary is much nicer on the phone than I am :-). > > Have a great Christmas! > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services > 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:35 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived > > > Hey Marlon, the price thresholds are there now for residential too. > That's a big part of the entire program. A $285 all inclusive CPE with > nothing extra to buy, piece together, etc. should fall within the > residential business model of even small WISPs. > > Patrick Leary > AVP WISP Markets > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > Vonage: 650.641.1243 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:05 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived > > Right on! Can't wait till I build another business grade system out > here. > That's what I plan on using. > > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales > (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services > 42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp! > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marty Dougherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:47 AM > Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived > > > > Well we got our 1st 100 pack of VL Su's under the Comnet program > > yesterday- Just wanted you all to know they are the EXACT same radios > as > > before the big price drop- Same high quality metal radio and still > > INCLUDES the mounting hardware AND the pre-made cat5 outdoor cable > (60ft > > long)- the cable is worth more then you can imagine- the RJ45 plug is > > already factory terminated and properly shielded so your installers > > don't have to do that up on the roof and you don't have to worry about > a > > bad connector later. > > > > We have deployed a LOT of these radios already and I can tell you this > > is a great price. I'm looking forward to Alvarion extending this > program > > to other products. 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