The neg 48vDC is simply an option (standard 100-240 vAC is the other
option) for powering of the rack mounted chassis. In the telecom space
it's very common that folks have racks powered that way. The CPE's
themselves are not 48vDC. On the CPE 54 vDC is sent via PoE up to the
ODU from the IDU.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Koskenmaki
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived

Patrick... I find the 48V power thing a HUGE problem.

almost every site I have now is 12V powered...




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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 3:09 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived


> Marlon,
>
> You say "most of my towers have fewer than 25 users on them..."  In
> response to that reality we created a version of the VL AU for rural
> markets. We came to realize that the cost of a regular of VL AU where
> likely user counts are low simply was not economical. So we came up
with
> the AUS. Three VL sectors using the AUS will support 75 users. An AUS
> (list of $2,595) has a limit of 25 attachments, but it can be upgraded
> if the demographics will support it; it is otherwise no different from
a
> regular VL AU. Three AUS sectors will cost you about $6k, so about
2.4x
> your more modest three sector arrangement. The install will be easier,
> so that will make up a little (unless you don't count your time as a
> cost). But that will also support about 100mbps net so you can figure
> the math in terms of what can be delivered to subs at your chosen
> oversubscription. And you know it will do that at range LOS since the
> CPE has an integrated 21dBi MTI.
>
> Patrick Leary
> AVP WISP Markets
> Alvarion, Inc.
> o: 650.314.2628
> c: 760.580.0080
> Vonage: 650.641.1243
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 11:55 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
>
> It's much closer Patrick.  That's for sure.
>
> Let run some numbers though.
>
> Tranzeo or Inscape Data ap:
> $450ish.  Will deliver an honest 3 to 4 megs to almost anyone at
ranges
> up
> to 10 miles.  1 to 2 megs out to 15 miles.
> Sector antenna, $400.
> Or omni and amp, $500 to $700 depending on the quality of the amp and
> antenna.
> This'll handle roughly 75 to 100 users pretty easily.
> If we need 3 sectors we're still at $2500 or so for the whole pop,
> battery
> backup, switch, cables etc.  If we're lucky that'll even include
> backhaul.
>
> For CPE the cost is gonna be around:
> 15dB integrated antenna version (good to 3 to 5 miles) $180ish
> 18dB version (out to around 8 miles) $200ish
> $12ish for antenna brackets (I don't buy the cheap ones, only the good
> ones
> from PacWireless)
> $10 to $20 for cable ($.15 to $.25 per foot)
> Misc. nuts and bolts $20.
> We're at $225 $250 per sub plus labor.
>
> Connectorized version, $180ish
> 24dB grid antenna, $90ish (I don't buy cheap antennas, only Andrew
cast
> magnesium (same as the Alvarion ones))
> Mount, $12
> Misc. nuts and bolt, tape etc. $20
> Cable, $10 to $20.
>
> This one comes in closer to $350 when it's all said and done.
>
> Believe me, I understand about the long term maintenance costs too.
But
>
> I've got to compete against cable, dsl, fiber to the home or all of
the
> above in ALL of my population density centers and a lot of my rural
> areas.
>
> Most of my towers have fewer than 25 users on them.  Many are under
10.
> Only a few are anywhere near 50 and one serves around 100.  Last year
we
>
> installed over 80 new radios (some of them were for our use, some were
> upgrades etc.) and have, so far, around 60 new subs.  This with
> basically no
> marketing effort at all, and in the face of amazing competition.  Per
> customer there are VERY few out there that have more competitive
> services.
>
> Our network now spans around 6000 square miles.  It's taken over 20
> sites
> with nearly 30 ap's to do this.  Our growth potential is really good.
> But
> not in all areas, some areas there just aren't any homes, so there
won't
> be
> any more customers coming.
>
> We are NOT running business grade services on anyone's wifi gear.
Today
>
> we're using Trango.  $1200ish per ap and $300ish per cpe (averaged
out).
>
> They'll deliver 8 to 9 megs of real world throughput right out of the
> box.
> Great security and flexibility.
>
> Alvarion has been loyal to WISPA and Trango's still not here though.
I
> want
> to go play with the new Alvarion gear, I don't have any single area
with
>
> enough growth to keep me in the program though.  Even with resi.
> customers
> tossed in.  If I were in Spokane, Seattle, Yakima etc. it would be a
no
> brainer for me.  The interference robustness, the scalability, the
> upgradeability etc. all make this a much more cut and dried decision.
> Especially the inference issues.  I look at what we fight with out
here
> with
> relatively few alien devices in the air.  How guys like Forbes keep
> their
> customers running is a mystery to me.  The manpower overhead has to be
a
>
> killer.
>
> How do those numbers compare with a similar VL solution????  Help me
> find a
> way to justify the big boy toys.  Trust me, the idea that I'd not need
> to do
> any work on my network appeals to me more and more with every new
> customer.
> But we're still taking care of things with 1.75 people and I spend an
> average of 25% to 30% of my day on these lists and other WISPA type
> duties
> so I probably really only count for a 3/4 time person.  If I'd totally
> automate my billing, get rid of my time on the lists and forward the
> office
> calls to my cell phone I could probably do this with one person.
> (saving
> around $17,000 per year in payroll)  But who wants to work that hard
> forever?  And Mary is much nicer on the phone than I am :-).
>
> Have a great Christmas!
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181                                   Equipment sales
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)                    Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)                                    And I run my own
wisp!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 10:35 AM
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
>
>
> Hey Marlon, the price thresholds are there now for residential too.
> That's a big part of the entire program. A $285 all inclusive CPE with
> nothing extra to buy, piece together, etc. should fall within the
> residential business model of even small WISPs.
>
> Patrick Leary
> AVP WISP Markets
> Alvarion, Inc.
> o: 650.314.2628
> c: 760.580.0080
> Vonage: 650.641.1243
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 9:05 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
>
> Right on!  Can't wait till I build another business grade system out
> here.
> That's what I plan on using.
>
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181                                   Equipment sales
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)                    Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)                                    And I run my own
wisp!
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marty Dougherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 6:47 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Alvarion Comnet Radios have arrived
>
>
> > Well we got our 1st 100 pack of VL Su's under the Comnet program
> > yesterday- Just wanted you all to know they are the EXACT same
radios
> as
> > before the big price drop- Same high quality metal radio and still
> > INCLUDES the mounting hardware AND the pre-made cat5 outdoor cable
> (60ft
> > long)- the cable is worth more then you can imagine- the RJ45 plug
is
> > already factory terminated and properly shielded so your installers
> > don't have to do that up on the roof and you don't have to worry
about
> a
> > bad connector later.
> >
> > We have deployed a LOT of these radios already and I can tell you
this
> > is a great price. I'm looking forward to Alvarion extending this
> program
> > to other products. (Patrick...)
> >
> > Marty
> >
> > ___________________________________
> > Marty Dougherty
> > CEO
> > Roadstar Internet Inc.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> >
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