Add a step before this- just contact the offender first, air your concern, try to work it out locally. Less trouble/intervention/attention for all parties involved. I still believe most people are decent. No need to call the dogs unless you are forced to.
Chris -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) Steve, What you are suggesting here is very similar to what the ham radio community does now. I would add a step in your process, that first the offending WISP be contacted via official WISPA correspondence explaining what it is we are doing and the planned course of action through the FCC and give them a chance to correct the problems voluntarily. That's what the hams do and many times that works. If this process were to work, we might actually get recognition from the FCC as a monitor for this purpose. Thank You, Brian Webster -----Original Message----- From: Steve Stroh [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:47 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) Mac: Aren't you one of those who wants to see dedicated "WISP Spectrum" become available, like 3650 or television broadcast whitespace? Do you think there's an incentive by the regulators to grant such spectrum exclusively to WISPs, when, as "professionals" you know about such behavior, and do nothing? For the regulators to create WISP-only spectrum would be seen as overtly supporting "more of the same bad behavior"? WISPA... of, by, and for WISPs, could take on some of these bad players as peers. Here's how I see it potentially working: 1) You suspect a bad player is operating in your immediate area 2) You gather as much information as you can - put together a BRIEF report documenting what you REALLY know - hard facts like data from spectrum analyzer, photos of towers and/or radios that aren't legal, lat/long of known base stations, etc. 3) You present this to the WISPA "bad players" committee 4) WISPA "bad players committee" convenes to discuss whether or not you may well have a case of interference. The "bad players committee" only has the time and budget available to proceed with a handful of such cases per year. 5) IF the "bad players committee" agrees with your conclusions, they select a volunteer to come to your area to provide independent verification as to whether the "bad player" is really operating illegally. Said volunteer is compensated at least minimally - travel expenses, hotel, a SMALL stipend, all paid for out of a WISPA budget 6) If the volunteer agrees with you, then the "bad players committee" creates a formal complaint to the FCC field office nearest the suspected violation with documentation, certification of the independent volunteer that in their direct observations and professional opinion, there's reasonable suspicion that the bad player is operating illegally. The complaint is submitted with the full force of WISPA,. 7) WISPA follows up; if the FCC investigates, then all is well. If the FCC deigns not to investigate, WISPA can escalate - possibly press releases, etc. WISPA needs to hold the FCC accountable for following through on the very few cases of "suspected illegal WISP operations" that WISPA refers to the FCC. As I see it, this process has sufficient checks and balances, and involves WISPA to the point where WISPA can provide "cover". It's still small-scale enough for the "we're just a bunch of small guys with limited resources" nature of WISPA and its limited budget. Having WISPA deal with the FCC only after internal vetting and developing reasonable grounds for suspicion removes the potential for an individual WISP to "tick off the FCC" thinking that they're just whining about a competitor and the FCC's initial attitude of "it's unlicensed spectrum, what do you EXPECT?!?!?!" I'm sure that WISPA can get some expert advice about the wording for the formal referral to the FCC to the effect that WISPA isn't complaining about interference issues (which, everyone operating under Part 15 must accept) but rather WISPA is reporting suspected illegal, high-profile operations in violation of FCC Part 15 rules. The FCC doesn't have the resources for wild-goose chases, but if you really do your homework and the FCC can be reasonably sure that they won't be wasting their time, then they are much more likely to act. Thanks, Steve On Feb 8, 2007, at Feb 8 07:49 AM, Mac Dearman wrote: > Marty, > > That was not a "dig" :-) No offense intended. I agree 100% with > what you > said and most of what Patrick "generally" has to say. (That aint no > dig > either Patrick) hehehe > > I was just picking on my brother Leary!! > > As far as UL operators - it is no different for us than it is in > any other > arena in the world. If there are limits placed there will always be > those > who try to exceed that ir-regardless of how they are generally hurting > themselves. It is not just in the UL spectrum we see this - - it's > in every > avenue of life. I didn't say that made it OK - I am saying that it > inevitable! > > It is true that a few bad potatoes can ruin the whole basket, but > that is > just life I guess. All we can really do is build our networks in > accordance > to the current Part 15 rules. I also realize that not all of our > systems are > not certified by Patrick's definition, but as long as we attempt to > build > one that "could be" certified by matching the correct antennas with > the > correct radios, maintain legal limits and good judgment through > manufacturers papers - we will all be OK. > > I have a WISP in my area that is running two towers with 2 watt > Hyperlink > amps at the 12db Omni's. Believe me - I know about jack ass > operators and > detest that type of operator. It really shows ignorance to pull such a > stunt, but these types of operators know absolutely nothing anyway. > Once > again - what we are doing and tolerating is nothing new - - these > type folks > are everywhere in everything and every business in life - - just look > around! > > > Mac --- Steve Stroh 425-939-0076 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Writing about BWIA again! - www.bwianews.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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