thanks Marlon... Got one more for you - what about the hotels that hook up to me for "virtual" hotspot authentication / billing services through Mikrotik's hotspot mechanism... am I or the Hotel responsible for capture ? heh.
I'm sure there's many more questions... -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 1:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Form 445 Rick, I've been talking with both the FCC and FBI. It's up in the air yet, but it looks like calea compliance won't be that big of a deal. We'll know much more after the Thursday meetings our guys are having. Here's what I understand so far.... I've gotten this from the head of the FBI's CALEA division (why more people don't pick up the phone is beyond me). We have to be able to copy a particular customer's data stream to a local machine. They do NOT want a stream cause they may not be able to receive it fast enough or data may get lost on the way to them. The local machine needs to have a way to transfer the data to them. That could be either via burning a disk, transfer of the entire machine (likely if they provide the machine :-), vpn back to law enforcement or some other mechanism. At this point there are a couple of issues that I'm not clear on yet. What form does the vpn have to be in. And it may not have to be a particular one. don't know yet. And what kind of security on the local cache machine will have to be in place? Will it have to be physically or electronically or both, isolated from the rest of the company? There are, of course, other difficult situations. I brought up these examples and more. It was agreed that there may not always be good resolutions etc. What happens if someone uses my FREE hotspot in town? It's a Linksys, I have NO way to get any useful data from it. If I change it out to a more powerful machine I incur substantial costs AND I tip off the perp that we've changed something for some reason. How about that hotel we sell service to? They won't have the ability to get useful data from their Linksys routers anymore than I could. And I have no way of determining who's doing what inside their network. Again, no good answers. I don't think we'll see perfection any time soon. But that doesn't mean we can't or shouldn't try to do our best..... marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 > Ya know Mac, not funny, at the same time, funny. > > I think Mark's got a point, albeit dooms-day-ish. > > There's no fiscal or physical way small WISPs can comply > with CALEA, and I want to know HOW SPECIFICALLY to do it, > if you think it CAN be done... > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Mac Dearman > Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:37 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 > > Patients who experience an acute psychotic episode lasting longer than one > day but less than one month and that may or may not immediately follow an > important life stress or a pregnancy (with postpartum onset). This illness > usually comes as a surprise as there is no forewarning that the person is > likely to "break down," although this disorder is more common in people > with > a pre-existing personality disorder (particularly histrionic and > borderline > types). The main diagnostic criteria is as follows: > > The patient has at least one of the following that is not a culturally > sanctioned response: > > 1. Delusions > 2. Hallucinations > 3. Speech that is markedly disorganized > 4. Behavior that is markedly disorganized or catatonic. > > The patient has symptoms from 1 to 30 days and eventually recovers > completely. > > The disturbance is not better accounted for by a Mood Disorder With > Psychotic Features, Schizoaffective Disorder, or Schizophrenia and is not > due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of > abuse, a medication) or a general medical condition. > > > > Sincerely, > Mac Dearman > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of wispa > Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:52 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Form 445 > > On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:46:13 -0500, Rick Smith wrote >> I think I'm going to be the first to say this, but >> I don't have time to give a crap about calea. I'm >> taking advantage of an industry organization to do >> something on my behalf, because I can't have the >> time to give a crap later when the FCC comes knocking >> after finding out I DIDN'T file... > > I predict that somewhere around 80% of small ISP's won't file. Many won't > even know they have to. > > Just think, EVERY block size network. If you build out for your > neighborhood and have 10 neighbors... YOU have to fork out the big bucks, > YOU > are now dead. You just don't know it yet, because you have no idea on > earth > > that the federal govenrment has just taken wholesale control of the ISP > business. > >> >> Now, I run Mikrotik everywhere, and I've seen comments >> about packet monitoring "being OK" for compliance, and >> I'll STILL not do anything until I'm provided with a >> subpoena, but I figure having the paperwork THERE is >> probably a necessary evil. >> > > You can bet that any "industry" standard derived will derived with the > input > > from the telecoms to bankrupt as many small ISP's as possible. > > I predict that in 2 years there will not be enough WISP's left to fund > WISPA > > at all, unless the dues go up on the order 20 to 50 times. > >> This, in my opinion, is just big brother licensed >> extortion for the little guys. Paying a TPP for >> snooping on your customers is just crap. But, what >> are you going to do ? > > You're going to pay and then you're going to go out of business. > > > > -------------------------------------------- > Mark Koskenmaki <> Neofast, Inc > Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains > 541-969-8200 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
