Jeff,

All this shows is that you are not talking to many operators. I mean,
let's be serious. We have over 170 commercial WiMAX deployments...that's
commercial networks, not trials. We have tons more trials. We have more
deployed 802.16d than all the others suppliers on the planet combined.
We also have more than 60% of all 802.16e deployments (and that's not us
saying that but the analysts that follow this stuff). In other words, my
opinions here are not being issued from a vacuum and come from this
massive body of empirical experience. That is opposed to you -- one guy
sitting in Seattle having a few adhoc conversations with people that may
or may not even have installed any 802.16 of any flavor.

Patrick Leary
AVP, Market Development
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 5:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum

Patrick,

I disagree, as most of the network operators, internationally
that I have spoken with have stated that they currently have "no  
interest" in 802.16
and are just looking for standards  based solutions that utilize  
802.16a-2004 chipsets.
They just want QOS capable, scalable, FIXED BROADBAND WIRELESS ACCESS.

In the US there are very LIMITED # of providers than have access to  
licensed
2 ghz bands, so i don't understand clearly why the 2ghz profile would  
matter
as much, since you literally have 2 players in that space, now  
actually one, xohm.

not misleading fluff, Airspan for example is shipping TODAY 802.16-2004
compliant ( not wimax compliant, not that it matters considering  
there is
no wimax interop for QOS, so really who cares anyways ) solutions in
  1.4, 2.3, 2.5, 3.3-37, 5.4, 4.9, and 5.8ghz bands.

-

Jeff

On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Patrick Leary wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> That would be stretching to the extreme since the simple point of fact
> is that there is no WiMAX Forum profile for the AWS bands. No profile
> means no ecosystem. No ecosystem means no chips and no devices in  
> scale
> or interoperability between suppliers.
>
> Folks, right now there is only one profile in WiMAX that matters and
> these are the ones based on 802.16e-2005 in 2.3, 2.5 and 3.5 GHz  
> ranges.
> Those are the only bands for which the ecosystem is revolving and
> evolving right now. Other may be added at some point, but right now
> anything else is misleading fluff.
>
> Patrick Leary
> AVP, Market Development
> Alvarion, Inc.
> o: 650.314.2628
> c: 760.580.0080
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:17 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>
> Scriv,
>
> I know of 2 MFR's that are SHIPPING wimax in your band you hold
> licenses for. hit me offlist.
>
> tks,
>
> Jeff
>
> On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:12 PM, John Scrivner wrote:
>
>> So Patrick, if an operator has an interest in launching WiMAX using
>> BreezeMax will Alvarion help them find and acquire access to a
>> license in the market they are looking to launch? I know that is
>> not your area of expertise but I also know that other competitive
>> vendors are doing just this type of work to help operators get in
>> the game.
>>
>> If not I know that Kris Twomey and Stephen Coran are both capable
>> of helping in this process. I am working on this myself.
>>
>> It would be nice if an AWS profile were being established for WiMAX
>> (since I have a license in this band which NOBODY has done anything
>> with yet). I guess it will happen once someone steps up and places
>> a BIG order!  :-)
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary wrote:
>>>  The way, the link to the Secondary Market specific search is:
>>> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLease.jsp
>>>
>>> " Spectrum Lease Search
>>>
>>> A new ULS feature to search for spectrum leases, including
>>> searches on
>>> fields unique to leasing. The spectrum lease search results page is
>>> standard ULS format with a link to lease details. The spectrum lease
>>> detail page, also standard ULS format, is similar to license
>>> detail in
>>> that the lease information is displayed in tabs such as Main, Admin,
>>> Technical Data, and Market."
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> AVP, Market Development
>>> Alvarion, Inc.
>>> o: 650.314.2628
>>> c: 760.580.0080
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World
>>> Chicago, September 25-27
>>> Booth #409
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:30 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>> Yes and the FCC site has a specific search feature just for these
>>> things
>>> and refers to this activity as "Secondary Markets."
>>>
>>> Patrick Alvarion
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:13 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>> Is there a documentation/reporting requirement of EBS spectrum
>>> holders
>>> that requires them to report who they leased their spectrum to,
>>> and when/if
>>> they leased it?
>>> In other words, does the FCC search just show the original spectrum
>>> holder (educational insititute) or also the subleasee?
>>>
>>> Tom DeReggi
>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary"
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:43 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>>
>>> The band generally called "2.5" refers to an almost 200 MHz
>>> collection
>>> of spectrum divided up about 60% as non-profit "EBS" (educational
>>> broadband service) spectrum and 40% commercially auctioned "BRS"
>>> (broadband radio service) spectrum. These were formerly called ITFS
>>> (instructional fixed television service) and MMDS (multimedia
>>> distribution service). The original allocation was for one-way  
>>> cable,
>>> but over the past years the band has been re-configured for  
>>> broadband
>>> service.
>>>
>>> In any one area a variety of commercial and non-profits have various
>>> channels. The FCC allows the non-profits (including the schools you
>>> refer to) to sublet the spectrum to commercial operators.
>>>
>>> The 2.3 range is called "WCS" (wireless communications services)
>>> and is
>>> different than the 2.5, both in terms of typical available channel
>>> sizes
>>> and technical rules.
>>>
>>> BellSouth, as part of the AT&T acquisition thereof, was required
>>> by the
>>> feds to sell its stake in the commercial 2.5 GHz bands (principally
>>> around Florida and New Orleans). Clearwire bought these assets for
>>> $300
>>> million a few months back.
>>>
>>> - Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:52 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> It looks as though BellSouth and Nextel have the 2.3 and Nextel
>>> has the
>>> 2.5.
>>> I thought they set aside some of those frequencies for schools?
>>> Can the
>>> schools still have the license along with the big guys?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:18 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a very simple process Scottie, which is achieved using the  
>>> FCC
>>> Web
>>> site. From the home page of www.fcc.gov, go to the Wireless
>>> Telecommunications Bureau area (choice on the right, scrolled down a
>>> tad),
>>> then go to License Search (also a choice on the right).
>>> Specifically, go
>>> here: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp
>>>
>>> On this page I prefer using the "Specialized" search category.
>>> Pick one
>>> and
>>> fill in as few fields as you want. Enter more fields to narrow, etc.
>>> This
>>> will pull up records and each of those records allows you to drill
>>> down
>>> further to get maps, contact info, etc.
>>>
>>> - Patrick
>>> Alvarion
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:56 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How can I find out who owns it in my area...I think the school  
>>> system
>>> still
>>> has it, but not sure.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:28 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>>
>>> Scottie,
>>>
>>> If you think the base station is expensive, then you'd pass out
>>> knowing
>>> how
>>> much it'd cost you to get access to just 12 MHz of either set of
>>> spectrum
>>> even in a rural market. Put it this way, a big city would carry a
>>> price
>>> tag
>>> well into 8 digits.
>>>
>>> - Patrick
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:19 PM
>>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Maybe a very rough number for a fixed/nomadic type base station  
>>> (360
>>> degrees) might be around $40k."
>>>
>>> WOW! I think I will stick with unlicensed for now. The idea of
>>> customer
>>> provided CPE is alluring, but its not that tempting for me.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:46 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum
>>>
>>>
>>> We do, and have been commercially selling 802.16e (mobile-ready
>>> WiMAX) -
>>> called BreezeMAX 2300 and BreezeMAX 2500 all through this year.
>>>
>>> In the licensed pmp space, especially for .16e systems, the  
>>> answer of
>>> "average cost of AP and CPE" is not so simple. There are many
>>> types of
>>> "CPE"
>>> and there really is no "AP." You have complex base station
>>> infrastructures
>>> in these bands, with multiple levels of diversity. Maybe a very  
>>> rough
>>> number
>>> for a fixed/nomadic type base station (360 degrees) might be around
>>> $40k.
>>> For fixed outdoor CPE, use the numbers you are used to today for
>>> quality
>>> CPE. For indoor self-install CPE SIM-card based, bought at a retail
>>> outlet
>>> or mailed by the operator), a rough number might be $250ish today
>>> driving
>>> lower. PCMCIA cards are around the corner and will be obviously much
>>> cheaper. Embedded devices, starting with laptops, are maybe less
>>> than a
>>> year
>>> away for early versions. Embedded consumer devices will come as
>>> early as
>>> late 2008 and will be produced in decent volumes by 2010.
>>>
>>> Base stations to support the mobile "personal broadband" devices
>>> will be
>>> require the addition of tons of things, like ASN gateways, AAA
>>> servers,
>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Patrick
>>> Alvarion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>> -
>
>> ----------
>>
>> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th
>> 2007 at ISPCON **
>> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA    
>> www.ispcon.com **
>> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
>> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 **
>> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://
>> www.ispcon.com/register.php **
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>> -
>
>> ----------
>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>> -
>
>> ----------
>>
>>
>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>>
>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>>
>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> --
> --------
>
> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th  
> 2007 at
> ISPCON **
> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA   www.ispcon.com **
> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> --
> --------
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> --
> --------
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************

> **
> ************
>
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
>
> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
> computer viruses(190).
>
> **********************************************************************

> **
> ************
>
>
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************

> **
> ************
>
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
>
> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
> computer viruses(42).
>
> **********************************************************************

> **
> ************
>
>
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************

> ************** This footnote confirms that this email message has  
> been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious  
> code, vandals & computer viruses(84).  
> **********************************************************************

> **************
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> **********************************************************************

> **************
> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &  
> computer viruses.
> **********************************************************************

> **************
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----------
>
> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th  
> 2007 at ISPCON **
> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA   www.ispcon.com **
> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// 
> www.ispcon.com/register.php **
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----------
> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
> http://signup.wispa.org/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------

> ----------
>
> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
>
> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
>
> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------

** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at
ISPCON **
** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA   www.ispcon.com **
** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at
http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **

------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--------
 
WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/



************************************************************************
************

This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by

PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
computer viruses(190).

************************************************************************
************





************************************************************************
************

This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by

PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals &
computer viruses(43).

************************************************************************
************





************************************************************************************
 This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp 
Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). 
************************************************************************************







************************************************************************************
This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by
PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer 
viruses.
************************************************************************************



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON 
**
** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA   www.ispcon.com **
** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT **
** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 **
** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at 
http://www.ispcon.com/register.php **

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WISPA Wants You! Join today!
http://signup.wispa.org/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless

Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/

Reply via email to