Mr. Booher, Why in the Heck would someone pay WiMAX BST pricing if someone didn't want WiMAX? I realize that WiMAX QOS is great, but with the proper equipment QOS can be achieved.
How many providers have you talked to less than 10, 20, 50? I can see a certain small number looking at it that way, but definitely not the masses. I would sure think that those providers would be better off putting the cash up to get Alvarion to make a 3.5Ghz VL product and have the software built to provide the desired QOS if it isn't good enough already. I would bet you could do that for the price of less than two or three 3 sector 4th order diversity WiMAX BST's. I think there are quite a few Operators who COULD have access to 2.5Ghz, but most don't have the Cash, or the timing has passed to get it. The 2.5Ghz profile is important because that is where Sprint and Clearwire are playing, so if you want the chance for a roaming agreement, or a buy out that's where you need to be. XHOM may be the big player, but I'll build a Carrier grade WiMAX Network, set it up for roaming, sell to my own subs, take a roaming agreement if I can get one (Which both Sprint and Clearwire KNOW They can't do this alone, too much ground to cover and too much money) and even if I don't I'll set up a daily rate and let their subs use my network. You say Airspan is shipping, but the questions are these: a. is it certified b. what spectrum can we really use it in, unlicensed if full of noise (Which WiMAX Hates), they ARE NOT SHIPPING 2.5GHZ (I talked the regional rep, he said maybe next year), 3650 is no where near ready for real deployment (Experimental Licenses don't count. No licensing system set up, no Certification standard, etc.) c. Who other than cell providers has 1.4Ghz? d. 2.3Ghz is just as small of provider market as 2.5Ghz. e. above 3700Mhz is mostly LOS, the power isn't there for indoor installs in the 5Ghz UNII/ISM Bands. Your best bet is to stop arguing, 802.16E is the future. Weather we all like it or not. Fixed Unlicensed will still have it's place, but why would I go with that when I can buy a Laptop with a built in WiMAX Chip and use my internet anywhere. Now if I am out of the WiMAX Are then Fixed Wireless from a WISP makes sense, but oh wait there are outdoor CPE, put a 24dbi grid on one of those puppies and see what you can punch through, then maybe I pay an extra $5 per month to have both my Laptop and the home CPE on the network....See there are so many options. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the WISP of today, heck I work for one, owned one, and think they are doing great things the World not to mention their local areas. Technology chances, times change, and the future is inevitable. Mike Bushard, Jr Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum Patrick, I disagree, as most of the network operators, internationally that I have spoken with have stated that they currently have "no interest" in 802.16 and are just looking for standards based solutions that utilize 802.16a-2004 chipsets. They just want QOS capable, scalable, FIXED BROADBAND WIRELESS ACCESS. In the US there are very LIMITED # of providers than have access to licensed 2 ghz bands, so i don't understand clearly why the 2ghz profile would matter as much, since you literally have 2 players in that space, now actually one, xohm. not misleading fluff, Airspan for example is shipping TODAY 802.16-2004 compliant ( not wimax compliant, not that it matters considering there is no wimax interop for QOS, so really who cares anyways ) solutions in 1.4, 2.3, 2.5, 3.3-37, 5.4, 4.9, and 5.8ghz bands. - Jeff On Sep 28, 2007, at 3:59 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Jeff, > > That would be stretching to the extreme since the simple point of fact > is that there is no WiMAX Forum profile for the AWS bands. No profile > means no ecosystem. No ecosystem means no chips and no devices in > scale > or interoperability between suppliers. > > Folks, right now there is only one profile in WiMAX that matters and > these are the ones based on 802.16e-2005 in 2.3, 2.5 and 3.5 GHz > ranges. > Those are the only bands for which the ecosystem is revolving and > evolving right now. Other may be added at some point, but right now > anything else is misleading fluff. > > Patrick Leary > AVP, Market Development > Alvarion, Inc. > o: 650.314.2628 > c: 760.580.0080 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 2:17 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum > > Scriv, > > I know of 2 MFR's that are SHIPPING wimax in your band you hold > licenses for. hit me offlist. > > tks, > > Jeff > > On Aug 23, 2007, at 8:12 PM, John Scrivner wrote: > >> So Patrick, if an operator has an interest in launching WiMAX using >> BreezeMax will Alvarion help them find and acquire access to a >> license in the market they are looking to launch? I know that is >> not your area of expertise but I also know that other competitive >> vendors are doing just this type of work to help operators get in >> the game. >> >> If not I know that Kris Twomey and Stephen Coran are both capable >> of helping in this process. I am working on this myself. >> >> It would be nice if an AWS profile were being established for WiMAX >> (since I have a license in this band which NOBODY has done anything >> with yet). I guess it will happen once someone steps up and places >> a BIG order! :-) >> Scriv >> >> >> Patrick Leary wrote: >>> The way, the link to the Secondary Market specific search is: >>> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLease.jsp >>> >>> " Spectrum Lease Search >>> >>> A new ULS feature to search for spectrum leases, including >>> searches on >>> fields unique to leasing. The spectrum lease search results page is >>> standard ULS format with a link to lease details. The spectrum lease >>> detail page, also standard ULS format, is similar to license >>> detail in >>> that the lease information is displayed in tabs such as Main, Admin, >>> Technical Data, and Market." >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> AVP, Market Development >>> Alvarion, Inc. >>> o: 650.314.2628 >>> c: 760.580.0080 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> Visit Alvarion at WiMAX World >>> Chicago, September 25-27 >>> Booth #409 >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:30 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> Yes and the FCC site has a specific search feature just for these >>> things >>> and refers to this activity as "Secondary Markets." >>> >>> Patrick Alvarion >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:13 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> Is there a documentation/reporting requirement of EBS spectrum >>> holders >>> that requires them to report who they leased their spectrum to, >>> and when/if >>> they leased it? >>> In other words, does the FCC search just show the original spectrum >>> holder (educational insititute) or also the subleasee? >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Leary" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:43 PM >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> >>> The band generally called "2.5" refers to an almost 200 MHz >>> collection >>> of spectrum divided up about 60% as non-profit "EBS" (educational >>> broadband service) spectrum and 40% commercially auctioned "BRS" >>> (broadband radio service) spectrum. These were formerly called ITFS >>> (instructional fixed television service) and MMDS (multimedia >>> distribution service). The original allocation was for one-way >>> cable, >>> but over the past years the band has been re-configured for >>> broadband >>> service. >>> >>> In any one area a variety of commercial and non-profits have various >>> channels. The FCC allows the non-profits (including the schools you >>> refer to) to sublet the spectrum to commercial operators. >>> >>> The 2.3 range is called "WCS" (wireless communications services) >>> and is >>> different than the 2.5, both in terms of typical available channel >>> sizes >>> and technical rules. >>> >>> BellSouth, as part of the AT&T acquisition thereof, was required >>> by the >>> feds to sell its stake in the commercial 2.5 GHz bands (principally >>> around Florida and New Orleans). Clearwire bought these assets for >>> $300 >>> million a few months back. >>> >>> - Patrick >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:52 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks as though BellSouth and Nextel have the 2.3 and Nextel >>> has the >>> 2.5. >>> I thought they set aside some of those frequencies for schools? >>> Can the >>> schools still have the license along with the big guys? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:18 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> >>> That's a very simple process Scottie, which is achieved using the >>> FCC >>> Web >>> site. From the home page of www.fcc.gov, go to the Wireless >>> Telecommunications Bureau area (choice on the right, scrolled down a >>> tad), >>> then go to License Search (also a choice on the right). >>> Specifically, go >>> here: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp >>> >>> On this page I prefer using the "Specialized" search category. >>> Pick one >>> and >>> fill in as few fields as you want. Enter more fields to narrow, etc. >>> This >>> will pull up records and each of those records allows you to drill >>> down >>> further to get maps, contact info, etc. >>> >>> - Patrick >>> Alvarion >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:56 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> >>> >>> How can I find out who owns it in my area...I think the school >>> system >>> still >>> has it, but not sure. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 3:28 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> >>> Scottie, >>> >>> If you think the base station is expensive, then you'd pass out >>> knowing >>> how >>> much it'd cost you to get access to just 12 MHz of either set of >>> spectrum >>> even in a rural market. Put it this way, a big city would carry a >>> price >>> tag >>> well into 8 digits. >>> >>> - Patrick >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Scottie Arnett >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 1:19 PM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> >>> >>> "Maybe a very rough number for a fixed/nomadic type base station >>> (360 >>> degrees) might be around $40k." >>> >>> WOW! I think I will stick with unlicensed for now. The idea of >>> customer >>> provided CPE is alluring, but its not that tempting for me. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:46 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Leasing 2.3 or 2.5 GHz Licensed Spectrum >>> >>> >>> We do, and have been commercially selling 802.16e (mobile-ready >>> WiMAX) - >>> called BreezeMAX 2300 and BreezeMAX 2500 all through this year. >>> >>> In the licensed pmp space, especially for .16e systems, the >>> answer of >>> "average cost of AP and CPE" is not so simple. There are many >>> types of >>> "CPE" >>> and there really is no "AP." You have complex base station >>> infrastructures >>> in these bands, with multiple levels of diversity. Maybe a very >>> rough >>> number >>> for a fixed/nomadic type base station (360 degrees) might be around >>> $40k. >>> For fixed outdoor CPE, use the numbers you are used to today for >>> quality >>> CPE. For indoor self-install CPE SIM-card based, bought at a retail >>> outlet >>> or mailed by the operator), a rough number might be $250ish today >>> driving >>> lower. PCMCIA cards are around the corner and will be obviously much >>> cheaper. Embedded devices, starting with laptops, are maybe less >>> than a >>> year >>> away for early versions. Embedded consumer devices will come as >>> early as >>> late 2008 and will be produced in decent volumes by 2010. >>> >>> Base stations to support the mobile "personal broadband" devices >>> will be >>> require the addition of tons of things, like ASN gateways, AAA >>> servers, >>> etc. >>> >>> Patrick >>> Alvarion >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - > >> ---------- >> >> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th >> 2007 at ISPCON ** >> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA >> www.ispcon.com ** >> ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** >> ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available til August 31 ** >> ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// >> www.ispcon.com/register.php ** >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> - > >> ---------- >> WISPA Wants You! 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