Except for the growing number of perfectly legal things available via P2P systems (Linux discs, updates for Blizzard Entertainment's World of Warcraft which surpassed 9 million subscribers in July, Wikipedia CD, OpenOffice, I've heard that Steam's 13 million users might be adopting P2P).

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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


----- Original Message ----- From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:56 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P




In my opinion, if they have something legit to transfer, they can setup and
use ftp. It works faster anyways IMHO.

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Smith, Rick
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:28 PM
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Subject: RE: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P


25 ?!  You're lucky.  If I stop my Mikrotik queues based on all-p2p matching
via firewall mangles, the network

will come to a stop because usage will go to 99%.



I limit p2p down & uploads to 1kbps.  Sue me.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 3:56 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P



I would have to agree. They did it to save costs, which includes bandwidth,
transport, equipment upgrades, etc. If I run our network wide open (which I
do from 6:00PM to 7:00AM), we see p2p traffic using 25% of our total
bandwidth.

Travis
Microserv

David E. Smith wrote:

On Fri, October 19, 2007 2:24 pm, Tom DeReggi wrote:



Yeah right... It has nothing to do with saving Interconnect dollars.
Comcast's download ratios are already way higher than upload even
with
BitTorrent full force, and probably are already getting paid for the
peering relationships if anything because of their ratios.



Given that I know nothing about the internals of Comcast's network, I
strongly suspect this is not the case. They're not a Tier-1, and they don't
generally offer transit. They're one of the biggest end-user ISPs in the
States, and based on sheer volume they probably have some pretty sweet
arrangements, but I really doubt they do enough hosting on their own that
others are paying them for the privilege of talking to Comcast subs.



What they are doing here is sending a message that if you Buy
Comcast you
get performance, if you buy from our competitors, you won;t ahve
performance
because we control the majority market, and we won't let you play
with our
clients in a favorable manner.



A majority of what market? Even as big as Comcast is, they're nowhere near
50% of America's broadband users, and if that's not the market you're
referring to, I don't know what you do mean.

Folks not using Comcast will have few or no problems with their p2p needs,
as there are plenty of other ISPs in this country alone (and a couple
hundred other countries as well). Meanwhile, folks using Comcast in markets
where they're doing edge-p2p-filtering will get cranky because their friend
on DSL can download (whatever warez-y stuff) 84 times faster, and may well
leave Comcast because of it. When this first came to light a couple months
ago, the nerd rage on Slashdot was positively palpable, and while it was
probably 98% smoke, I doubt very much it was 100% smoke.

Comcast has the right to do whatever they want - their network, their rules.
Really, though, I just don't see WHY they would choose to make this
particular move, if not to save on peering costs.

David Smith
MVN.net

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