Not for the General List Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mac Dearman Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 9:03 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P Travis, Did you sit in on Image Stream's conversations about "packet limiting?" I am going to have to find out a little more about that myself. Mac > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Travis Johnson > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 8:46 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P > > Marlon, > > I'm glad using the metered model works for you... but not in this > area, nor ANY other area where there is cable, DSL, and 2-10 other > wireless providers that do not charge based on usage. Yes, I believe > it is a better model overall, but until the big boys (CableOne, > ComCast, Qwest, AT&T, etc.) adopt this model, it will never sell on a > large scale. > > Travis > Microserv > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: > > Sheesh guys, do like we do. Make money from this stuff. > > > > We bill out hundreds of dollars per month in overage fees when > > people > go over their 6 gig transfer limit. We do NOT control what they do > but we do charge them. Just like, um, lets see, gas, food, clothes, > electricity, water, tires, etc. > > > > We've also found that we're able to get the attention of our > customers quite quickly and are able to clean up spyware, virus', and > bots much better because suddenly those with the power to fix the > problems have a reason to. It's been a VERY good program for us. > > > > Here's how we track it. http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack > > > > laters, > > marlon > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Travis Johnson > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List > > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P > > > > > > I would have to agree. They did it to save costs, which includes > bandwidth, transport, equipment upgrades, etc. If I run our network > wide open (which I do from 6:00PM to 7:00AM), we see p2p traffic using > 25% of our total bandwidth. > > > > Travis > > Microserv > > > > David E. Smith wrote: > > On Fri, October 19, 2007 2:24 pm, Tom DeReggi wrote: > > > > Yeah right... It has nothing to do with saving Interconnect > dollars. > > Comcast's download ratios are already way higher than upload even > with > > BitTorrent full force, and probably are already getting paid for the > > peering relationships if anything because of their ratios. > > > > Given that I know nothing about the internals of Comcast's network, > > I strongly suspect this is not the case. They're not a Tier-1, and > > they don't generally offer transit. They're one of the biggest > > end-user > ISPs in > > the States, and based on sheer volume they probably have some pretty > sweet > > arrangements, but I really doubt they do enough hosting on their own > that > > others are paying them for the privilege of talking to Comcast subs. > > > > What they are doing here is sending a message that if you Buy > Comcast you > > get performance, if you buy from our competitors, you won;t ahve > > performance because we control the majority market, and we won't let > > you play > with our > > clients in a favorable manner. > > > > A majority of what market? Even as big as Comcast is, they're > > nowhere > near > > 50% of America's broadband users, and if that's not the market > > you're referring to, I don't know what you do mean. > > > > Folks not using Comcast will have few or no problems with their p2p > needs, > > as there are plenty of other ISPs in this country alone (and a > > couple hundred other countries as well). Meanwhile, folks using > > Comcast in markets where they're doing edge-p2p-filtering will get > > cranky > because > > their friend on DSL can download (whatever warez-y stuff) 84 times > faster, > > and may well leave Comcast because of it. When this first came to > light a > > couple months ago, the nerd rage on Slashdot was positively > > palpable, > and > > while it was probably 98% smoke, I doubt very much it was 100% > > smoke. > > > > Comcast has the right to do whatever they want - their network, > > their rules. Really, though, I just don't see WHY they would choose > > to make > this > > particular move, if not to save on peering costs. > > > > David Smith > > MVN.net > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > ----------- > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th > > 2007 > at ISPCON ** > > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com > ** > > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > - > ----------- > > WISPA Wants You! 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