Sheesh guys, do like we do. Make money from this stuff. We bill out hundreds of dollars per month in overage fees when people go over their 6 gig transfer limit. We do NOT control what they do but we do charge them. Just like, um, lets see, gas, food, clothes, electricity, water, tires, etc.
We've also found that we're able to get the attention of our customers quite quickly and are able to clean up spyware, virus', and bots much better because suddenly those with the power to fix the problems have a reason to. It's been a VERY good program for us. Here's how we track it. http://radius.odessaoffice.com/iptrack laters, marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Look how ComCast deals with P2P I would have to agree. They did it to save costs, which includes bandwidth, transport, equipment upgrades, etc. If I run our network wide open (which I do from 6:00PM to 7:00AM), we see p2p traffic using 25% of our total bandwidth. Travis Microserv David E. Smith wrote: On Fri, October 19, 2007 2:24 pm, Tom DeReggi wrote: Yeah right... It has nothing to do with saving Interconnect dollars. Comcast's download ratios are already way higher than upload even with BitTorrent full force, and probably are already getting paid for the peering relationships if anything because of their ratios. Given that I know nothing about the internals of Comcast's network, I strongly suspect this is not the case. They're not a Tier-1, and they don't generally offer transit. They're one of the biggest end-user ISPs in the States, and based on sheer volume they probably have some pretty sweet arrangements, but I really doubt they do enough hosting on their own that others are paying them for the privilege of talking to Comcast subs. What they are doing here is sending a message that if you Buy Comcast you get performance, if you buy from our competitors, you won;t ahve performance because we control the majority market, and we won't let you play with our clients in a favorable manner. A majority of what market? Even as big as Comcast is, they're nowhere near 50% of America's broadband users, and if that's not the market you're referring to, I don't know what you do mean. Folks not using Comcast will have few or no problems with their p2p needs, as there are plenty of other ISPs in this country alone (and a couple hundred other countries as well). Meanwhile, folks using Comcast in markets where they're doing edge-p2p-filtering will get cranky because their friend on DSL can download (whatever warez-y stuff) 84 times faster, and may well leave Comcast because of it. When this first came to light a couple months ago, the nerd rage on Slashdot was positively palpable, and while it was probably 98% smoke, I doubt very much it was 100% smoke. Comcast has the right to do whatever they want - their network, their rules. Really, though, I just don't see WHY they would choose to make this particular move, if not to save on peering costs. 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