See my other post about Redline's comments and their FCC filed documents. It just doesn't have the power.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > Wimax APs can go much fartehr than 2-5 miles. > You are spec'ing the distance limits of their advanced NLOS features. > In LOS, they can go just as far as any other unlicened gear. > > I think its important to define country. If you are talking about Idaho > with houses 20 miles apart, yes, you'd be correct. 2.4Ghz and less is the > better option. > But where 3.6 Wimax could be exciting is small little towns. where 3 6Mhz > channels would actually be enough to get decent speed, and able to acheive > high modulations because its noise free. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 3:24 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service > > >> Exactly. >> >> What good is an AP that can only do 15 megs throughput in the city? >> >> What good is an AP that can only do 2 - 5 miles in the country? >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >> >> >>>I guess I am a bit perplexed by this premise. Why would people in urban >>> areas pay for low bandwidth wireless broadband options? What problem >>> does this platform solve under that scenario? >>> Scriv >>> >>> >>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>> I would like to note that Redline echoed my thoughts on 3.65 GHz. It >>>> is >>>> not >>>> for rural providers and is not for high bandwidth providers. It's only >>>> practical implementation is a dense urban environment with low >>>> throughput >>>> clients. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> There are a number of WiMAX 3.5 GHz solutions that will tune to 3.65 >>>>> just fine. I doubt that we would need to force the forum to issue a >>>>> new >>>>> profile for a frequency band that existing profiles already cover. As >>>>> far as I am concerned WiMAX in 3.65 GHz is here in all respects and is >>>>> not just marketing verbiage. Bravo to Matt Liotta on making a move >>>>> that >>>>> I am sure many others will follow. Way to go Matt. >>>>> Scriv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Clint Ricker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Tom, >>>>>> I'd agree. I'm in no way advocating marketing that is deceptive in >>>>>> terms >>>>>> of >>>>>> deliverables. >>>>>> >>>>>> My main point is more that communications in marketing often involves >>>>>> using >>>>>> buzzwords that coopt something someone knows for describing your >>>>>> product. >>>>>> Even if that is, on a technical level, incorrect, on a business and >>>>>> communication and marketing standpoint good practice--the reality is >>>>>> that >>>>>> the end user understands what you are saying and more "truth" is >>>>>> communicated--they better understand what to expect from your >>>>>> product. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, using terms that mislead the customer into expecting something >>>>>> that >>>>>> it >>>>>> isn't is an entirely different matter, and one that I don't advocate >>>>>> and, >>>>>> in >>>>>> the end, is very detrimental. I think it comes down to the >>>>>> deliverables, >>>>>> in >>>>>> that sense. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Clint Ricker >>>>>> -Kentnis Technologies >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 11, 2008 11:56 AM, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> First, two thumbs up for Matt. 1) He's leading the way to expand >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> technologies. 2) He's clever enough to use maximize how he uses of >>>>>>> Press >>>>>>> Releases. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With that said, in response to Clint, I had mixed feelings regarding >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> release. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I didn't see a problem listing "Wimax" in the press release. >>>>>>> Wimax/Non-Wimax, whats the difference, its wireless, its latest >>>>>>> state >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> art. All the same to the consumer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where I saw it riding the line was stating "Granted a License". >>>>>>> I believe that misleads the public to come to a false conclusion. >>>>>>> There is a big difference between licensed and unlicensed in the >>>>>>> public >>>>>>> eye. >>>>>>> Licensed has 100% protection, Unlicensed 100% doesn't. >>>>>>> Licenses are usualy exclusive, unlicensed is not. >>>>>>> 3650 light licensing is "experiental" and much closer to the >>>>>>> characteristics >>>>>>> of unlicensed, with registration added. >>>>>>> Sure technically 3650 is licensed, but again the reader is misled to >>>>>>> think >>>>>>> the service is something more than it really is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is that ethical? Is it deceptive? Could you here the spin? Its not >>>>>>> illegal. >>>>>>> Nothing was said that could be miscontrued as a lie. Is it any >>>>>>> different >>>>>>> than typical forward thinking statements of other press releases? >>>>>>> Maybe >>>>>>> just >>>>>>> clever marketing? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 10:15 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] One Ring Networks To Rollout New WiMAX Service >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd like to make a point in return. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is a press release, and it is generally used for marketing and >>>>>>>> publicity. Who the flip cares about the exact nuances in >>>>>>>> technology? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matt's company expresses their product in terms that their target >>>>>>>> market >>>>>>>> understands, then it is good marketing. It's not like their >>>>>>>> customers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> going to do deep layer1 and 2 analysis to see that their bandwidth >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> coming >>>>>>>> over the "one true WiMax". If it looks like a duck and quacks like >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> duck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and you're talking to kindergarteners, just go ahead and call it a >>>>>>>> duck >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> reeducate the 1/1000 of 1 percent who become ornithologists when >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> grow >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> up and care to learn the subtle nuances. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I know companies that sell/sold "wireless DSL". Technically, this >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> complete absurdity. >>>>>>>> But, I'd bet that it did a good job of communicating the >>>>>>>> concept--which >>>>>>>> is, >>>>>>>> after all, the point of marketing. I'd imagine that they do >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> companies that sell "High bandwidth 802.11A/B/G Data Traffic >>>>>>>> Transport >>>>>>>> Solutions". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There are service providers who still keep on trying to sell "VoIP" >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>> multi page explanations about how the analog voice get digitized, >>>>>>>> packetized, encapsulated, and 20 other gazillion processes that no >>>>>>>> one >>>>>>>> really cares about unless they like reading RFCs every time they >>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> mundane purchase decisions. Then there's Comcast who, while >>>>>>>> definitely >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> hurt by the existing customer base and financial resources and >>>>>>>> technical >>>>>>>> infrastructure, became the fourth largest telco in quite a short >>>>>>>> amount >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> time. They did this by having the marketing common sense to sell >>>>>>>> "telephone >>>>>>>> service", not "Voice over IP". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If the customers understand what Matt's product is better because >>>>>>>> he >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> calls >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it "WiMax", then great. It sure sounds better than "Modified >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> pre-release >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> quasi 802.16". You're in business to sell products...and, that >>>>>>>> involves >>>>>>>> communication. Using language that people can understand sells >>>>>>>> products >>>>>>>> and, in the end, gets more "truth" across--if that is your >>>>>>>> objective >>>>>>>> here--by actually communicating with people as opposed to using >>>>>>>> language >>>>>>>> that people just don't understand--nor care to. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Clint Ricker >>>>>>>> Kentnis Technologies >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 10, 2008 7:49 PM, Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Do your radios have sub channelization? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I Congratulate you on the build, but I have to question if stuff >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> is not part of the total misunderstanding of WiMAX (what it is and >>>>>>>>> isn't). >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> really don't think WiMAX is the right term, Maybe WiMAX based, but >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> definitely is not WiMAX. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We just turned up our first WiMAX base station today. Running >>>>>>>>> 2.5Ghzand >>>>>>>>> using 16e ready hardware. I'm Not trying to steal glory here, just >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> making >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> point. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mike Bushard, Jr >>>>>>>>> Wireless Network Engineer >>>>>>>>> 320-256-WISP (9477) >>>>>>>>> 320-256-9478 Fax >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 2:22 PM >>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>> Subject: [SPAM] Re: [WISPA] [SPAM] One Ring Networks To Rollout >>>>>>>>> New >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> WiMAX >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Service >>>>>>>>> Importance: Low >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Steve Stroh wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Fixed WiMAX profiles for 3.5 (non-US), but NOT 3.65 GHz in the US >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> because >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> the unique "contention protocol" requirements (systems for 3.65 >>>>>>>>>> GHz >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> be considered proprietary and quite possibly non-interoperable). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The lower 25Mhz of 3.65Ghz does not have a "contention protocol" >>>>>>>>> requirement. However, if the radio implements contention then it >>>>>>>>> won't >>>>>>>>> be restricted to the lower 25Mhz. As of today, only WiMAX radios >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> been certified for 3.65Ghz. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Matt >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---- >>>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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