Agreed. Verizon and AT&T (while having the largest networks in the world), aren't really any better than the others (Cogent, L3, Sprint, XO, AboveNet, GBLX, TWTC, etc.)
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > My posting was more along the lines of informational and sensitizing folks > to focusing their angst toward the appropriate parties. But even if the > RBOCs are truly the death stars of our universe, I still do not understand > why folks do not simply bypass them and go directly to the XOs and Sprints > and Level3s of the world. The RBOCs really don't have any superior > standing > or abilities if you can get to alternate upstream providers. I really > think > the blocking argument is a non issue. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >> The term to better describe the people who are feared is the term >> "RBOC", not the "ILEC". I consider you and other smaller ILECs who are >> WISPs to be sharing many common concerns with the rest of us. I try to >> draw attention to the fact that RBOCs are generally the ones who are >> using the bully tactics to overpower all the smaller interests in >> broadband. I think it is a good idea for us to remember this when we >> are making generalizations about the telco giants out there who could >> squash our interests easily. I am certain nobody was intentionally >> referring to you or your ILEC Chuck. >> Scriv >> >> >> On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Chuck McCown - 2 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> Hold on there. I am an incumbent as in the "I" in ILEC. I have fiber >>> directly to Level 3, XO and the option of hitting all the rest. If >>> there >>> is >>> such a thing as "the pipe" I wish someone would point it out to me. We >>> don't control anything. If you are a wholesale customer, you are >>> essentially directly connected to those two upstream providers. Who are >>> these incumbents and where is that pipe? >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 12:42 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>> >>> >>>> Sadly, I have to agree. The incumbents want to own the "pipe" so that >>>> they can control what goes over it and milk as much profit as possible >>>> from their "pipe". Supposedly it's done to "benefit" the stockholder >>>> but >>>> everyone else will be getting screwed. That's the way business is done >>>> in this day and age. They can't take over the "pipe" all at once >>>> because >>>> people would howl bloody murder so they take it away a little bit at a >>>> time so people don't catch on until it's too late. For more >>>> perspective, >>>> one might want to read about "How to boil a frog". >>>> <http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/frogboil.asp> >>>> >>>> jack >>>> >>>> >>>> Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>>> It can and will happen. There have been plans to take over/Hijack >>>>> the >>>>> Internet since day 1. Microsoft being one of the early entities that >>>>> tried >>>>> and failed to accomplish it, by purposely modifying standard protocols >>>>> with >>>>> microsoft standards to be integrated into the TCP Stack. Its happens >>>>> already >>>>> with Smart cell phone. Are developers really that stupid that that its >>>>> taken >>>>> them 10 years to get a cell ohone that will work on TCPIP, when >>>>> instead >>>>> they >>>>> try to sell proprietary portals to controlled content. Look who is >>>>> buying >>>>> up the INternet? Cable companies! Same with Whitespaces, The >>>>> Broadcasters >>>>> are proposing to keep the spectrum, so they can be the next Wireless >>>>> provider. BUyers with years of history with the mentality charging for >>>>> content, and packaging content based on the the most profitable offer. >>>>> >>>>> The only way to stop it is to enable competition. And the only way to >>>>> keep >>>>> it enabled is to subsidize it, to make sure it stays. >>>>> >>>>> Sure they can block all sites. They can steal your Email customers in >>>>> about >>>>> 2 weeks if they want to. All they have to do is block your domain, >>>>> pretending you are a spammer, and refuse to unblock you, and in two >>>>> weeks >>>>> your Email customers will be gone. They can do the same with your web >>>>> content. Who ever has the majorit market share of customer sites with >>>>> limited options, will be in control. >>>>> >>>>> Anti-Trust protection is the failure of the regulators. Bundling will >>>>> kill >>>>> everyone else. Verizon is doing it now... Get a discount on your home >>>>> broadband, if you buy their cell phone service. >>>>> If Verizon has your cell phone business, they will get your broadband. >>>>> AT&T >>>>> had followed sute, or vice versa. Are you a cell phone provider? Will >>>>> you >>>>> be >>>>> able to compete? Why do you think Comcast was interested in investing >>>>> in >>>>> Clearwire? Comcast isn't a cell phone carrier yet. They are at a >>>>> disadvantage. Verizon used to be at a disadvantage because they >>>>> didn't >>>>> offer TV. >>>>> >>>>> As long as legislators do not distinguish the difference between >>>>> different >>>>> communication services/providers, and allows cross platform bundling, >>>>> Independant providers will die, Not only the Free Internet. Everyone >>>>> knows >>>>> the money is in the content, when you control access to what content >>>>> people >>>>> can get to. They only want what they know exists, what they are >>>>> allowed >>>>> to >>>>> know is available. The first step to controlling the content, is >>>>> controlling >>>>> the pipe, to force the content. >>>>> >>>>> And I can tell you for sure, that IPowers message would not have been >>>>> allowed to air on Verizon Broadband TV. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tom DeReggi >>>>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>>>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Victoria Proffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:29 AM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Could this ever happen? >>>>>> http://ipower.ning.com/netneutrality2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Of my almost 17 years as an ISP, I find it hard to believe. >>>>>> How could the LECs possibly block all the sites? >>>>>> If this is true, what could we do to stop it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your thoughts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Victoria Proffer >>>>>> CEO >>>>>> St. Louis Broadband >>>>>> Visit us @ >>>>>> www.StLBroadband.com >>>>>> 314-974-5600 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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