Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). So now you can have your router, Asterisk, billing, mail server, web server all on one Mikrotik box. Obviously it will take a beefy unit like the PR 2282 to do this.
Jim// Mike Hammett wrote: > Visualization? > > > ---------- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:56 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations > > > >> Very seriously doubt they will be dropping support for x86. Seeing that >> they just introduced visualization only offered on the x86 platform! >> >> Scottie Arnett wrote: >> >>> DD-WRT and OpenWRT pretty much already do this for quite a few chipsets. >>> They are not near the software as Mikrotik or StarOS is...but, if >>> Mikrotikl drops support for x86, I would not be suprised if they or a new >>> project starts very quickly to serve that need. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:19 -0600 >>> >>> >>> >>>> I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Japhy Bartlett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Maybe Mikrotik should take a note from Microsoft's book.. Remember >>>>> how we went through the whole Apple/Windows game? How the company >>>>> that wrote software for specific hardware lost - hard? >>>>> >>>>> For me, (and perhaps the low-end market!) I really just want a >>>>> card/enclosure/poe/N-connector that I can flash with Linux or >>>>> something similar; why everyone wants to make their own proprietary >>>>> firmware sort of baffles me - why not tap into all of the very good >>>>> code already written and being developed? >>>>> >>>>> Unless you are trying to deliver a commercial, polished product aimed >>>>> at users who are less savvy about the guts and want an easier admin. >>>>> solution. I.e., Windows and Apple. >>>>> >>>>> Look at how the PC market converged towards x86! If Mikrotik or some >>>>> of the other big firmware companies pressured the hardware market into >>>>> some sort of interchangeable hardware standard, we wouldn't need to >>>>> "port" every stinking firmware flavor. >>>>> >>>>> Just saying, I think that Windows is arguably the most successful >>>>> business model .. ever? >>>>> >>>>> And just as a last thought - nobody's really said, "well this firmware >>>>> does X better". Is there anything particularly different between >>>>> Mikrotik, or StarOS or AirOS? >>>>> >>>>> - japhy >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> And no, I am not saying Mikrotik is evil. They are just a profit >>>>>> oriented company with clear idea how to explore their market share and >>>>>> having a really solid businessplan. And just as you will never see >>>>>> Microsoft supporting Linux type software, you will never see Mikrotik >>>>>> supporting NS2/5. Though it's likely you may see Mikrotik version of >>>>>> hardware pretty much the same as NS2/5 sometime soon. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/21/08, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> While you may be right on their focus being RB+ROS. I don't >>>>>>> understand >>>>>>> why they would not want to sell a $40 license on a piece of hardware >>>>>>> giving them a theoretical profit of close to $40. Hardware has to be >>>>>>> manufactured and shipped and warrantied to some extent. If they are >>>>>>> already writing the software to go with their hardware, why not pick >>>>>>> up >>>>>>> the extra sale on someone elses hardware at next to no addtional >>>>>>> cost. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> People buying the NS2/5 are doing it from a cost standpoint. Even >>>>>>> with >>>>>>> an additional $40 for a software license it would be 110 for a >>>>>>> compact >>>>>>> unit with integrated antenna, dual polarity and a POE. That is $10 >>>>>>> less >>>>>>> than just the crossroads board with no POE, antenna or enclosure. >>>>>>> It >>>>>>> would cost another 50% for a rootenna and POE. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If they worked with Ubiquiti they would have a chance to own the >>>>>>> lowend >>>>>>> market and finally have certified gear out there. The upgrade path >>>>>>> would be perfect for their hardware. They would sell the AP hardware >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> well as higher end CPEs for business and backhauls and still make >>>>>>> $40/CPE on the cheap end. And the operator has a 100% end to end ROS >>>>>>> network. I wonder if they are making $40 on a crossroads after >>>>>>> manufacture and shipping. I really don't see the downside to this, >>>>>>> especially if the hardware is similar to the crossroads and ubiquiti >>>>>>> really expressed and interest in working with them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, if MT doesn't want the business, I wonder if Lonnie is >>>>>>> interested... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sam Tetherow >>>>>>> Sandhills Wireless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matt Ferre wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looking at the posts on the Mikrotik forum I'd say Mikrotik doesn't >>>>>>>> exactly like Ubiquiti. And from business point of view I can clearly >>>>>>>> see why. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Who exactly would benefit from porting Mikrotik to NS5? Mikrotik? >>>>>>>> No, >>>>>>>> their Routerboard sales would drop and as we see during last two >>>>>>>> years >>>>>>>> they are more into selling Routerboard + Routeros package than the >>>>>>>> software alone. Ubiquiti would be the main beneficiary of that >>>>>>>> situation and that's why you're not going to see it happen. Never >>>>>>>> ever. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jeromie Reeves wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Oswave says there is no NS2/5 support and will not be. DD-WRT has >>>>>>>>>> support. That is a shame since ros/sos seam not to have plans to >>>>>>>>>> support them. I wonder how much effort/money it would be to get >>>>>>>>>> Ubiquity to solicit a firmware from someone? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My understanding (this is "friend of a friend" quality info) is that >>>>>>>> MT and Ubiquity DID have discussions about the NS platform. It is >>>>>>>> not something that is going to happen "out of the box", however with >>>>>>>> a 16M flash that Travis mentioned, perhaps it is something that >>>>>>>> could be done. 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