I agree... and I actually emailed their support group last night before
this message even came out about the EXACT same thing... they seem
really hung up on adding new features instead of fixing or improving
the real issues.
Travis
Microserv
Mike Hammett wrote:
So let me get this right... Instead of working on wireless drivers,
improving the existing feature set, stabilizing the whole router, etc.
Mikrotik has been working on making your router virtual server host? Before
I complain directly to Mikrotik, could you point me to something official
saying that is out?
Why don't they add on Media Center capability so I can store movies and TV
shows on my router and stream them to my XBox, or heck, let me plug in a TV
so I can play them directly from the router?
Maybe they could just directly integrate with an XBox 360 and a DirecTV?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Spell checker must have got Dennis. He meant Virtualization (Zen). So
now you can have your router, Asterisk, billing, mail server, web server
all on one Mikrotik box. Obviously it will take a beefy unit like the
PR 2282 to do this.
Jim//
Mike Hammett wrote:
Visualization?
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Very seriously doubt they will be dropping support for x86. Seeing that
they just introduced visualization only offered on the x86 platform!
Scottie Arnett wrote:
DD-WRT and OpenWRT pretty much already do this for quite a few
chipsets.
They are not near the software as Mikrotik or StarOS is...but, if
Mikrotikl drops support for x86, I would not be suprised if they or a
new
project starts very quickly to serve that need.
Scott
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:19 -0600
I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Japhy Bartlett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
Maybe Mikrotik should take a note from Microsoft's book.. Remember
how we went through the whole Apple/Windows game? How the company
that wrote software for specific hardware lost - hard?
For me, (and perhaps the low-end market!) I really just want a
card/enclosure/poe/N-connector that I can flash with Linux or
something similar; why everyone wants to make their own proprietary
firmware sort of baffles me - why not tap into all of the very good
code already written and being developed?
Unless you are trying to deliver a commercial, polished product aimed
at users who are less savvy about the guts and want an easier admin.
solution. I.e., Windows and Apple.
Look at how the PC market converged towards x86! If Mikrotik or some
of the other big firmware companies pressured the hardware market
into
some sort of interchangeable hardware standard, we wouldn't need to
"port" every stinking firmware flavor.
Just saying, I think that Windows is arguably the most successful
business model .. ever?
And just as a last thought - nobody's really said, "well this
firmware
does X better". Is there anything particularly different between
Mikrotik, or StarOS or AirOS?
- japhy
And no, I am not saying Mikrotik is evil. They are just a profit
oriented company with clear idea how to explore their market share
and
having a really solid businessplan. And just as you will never see
Microsoft supporting Linux type software, you will never see
Mikrotik
supporting NS2/5. Though it's likely you may see Mikrotik version of
hardware pretty much the same as NS2/5 sometime soon.
On 7/21/08, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While you may be right on their focus being RB+ROS. I don't
understand
why they would not want to sell a $40 license on a piece of
hardware
giving them a theoretical profit of close to $40. Hardware has to
be
manufactured and shipped and warrantied to some extent. If they
are
already writing the software to go with their hardware, why not
pick
up
the extra sale on someone elses hardware at next to no addtional
cost.
People buying the NS2/5 are doing it from a cost standpoint. Even
with
an additional $40 for a software license it would be 110 for a
compact
unit with integrated antenna, dual polarity and a POE. That is $10
less
than just the crossroads board with no POE, antenna or enclosure.
It
would cost another 50% for a rootenna and POE.
If they worked with Ubiquiti they would have a chance to own the
lowend
market and finally have certified gear out there. The upgrade path
would be perfect for their hardware. They would sell the AP
hardware
as
well as higher end CPEs for business and backhauls and still make
$40/CPE on the cheap end. And the operator has a 100% end to end
ROS
network. I wonder if they are making $40 on a crossroads after
manufacture and shipping. I really don't see the downside to this,
especially if the hardware is similar to the crossroads and
ubiquiti
really expressed and interest in working with them.
Well, if MT doesn't want the business, I wonder if Lonnie is
interested...
Sam Tetherow
Sandhills Wireless
Matt Ferre wrote:
Looking at the posts on the Mikrotik forum I'd say Mikrotik
doesn't
exactly like Ubiquiti. And from business point of view I can
clearly
see why.
Who exactly would benefit from porting Mikrotik to NS5? Mikrotik?
No,
their Routerboard sales would drop and as we see during last two
years
they are more into selling Routerboard + Routeros package than the
software alone. Ubiquiti would be the main beneficiary of that
situation and that's why you're not going to see it happen. Never
ever.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
Oswave says there is no NS2/5 support and will not be. DD-WRT
has
support. That is a shame since ros/sos seam not to have plans to
support them. I wonder how much effort/money it would be to get
Ubiquity to solicit a firmware from someone?
My understanding (this is "friend of a friend" quality info) is
that
MT and Ubiquity DID have discussions about the NS platform. It is
not something that is going to happen "out of the box", however
with
a 16M flash that Travis mentioned, perhaps it is something that
could be done. I mean, the cost would be just $45 for the nLevel4
license and only about $23 or so (I can't recall the available
pricing) for nLevel3 plus the hardware cost.
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