I have several customer's that stream some kind of data (I've always assumed it was a patch or new game) from Valve's servers. These customers are all on one AP - I think they're a family of gamers. Each of them do a good 2meg+ during the night time or weekends.
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:24 AM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is important to understand the business impact on this. If you can > deliver these speeds, this also could be a "method" to enable upgrades > of your service. I.e. Customer calls in and says their netflix video is > bad, if they do not have at least 2-3 meg , and you offer that speed, > upgrade them! I know WISPs on 2.4 delivering 3 meg to customers (some > not all). Course they don't get far on each AP. lol > > ------------------------------ > * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* > *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > <http://www.linktechs.net/> > > */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training > <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* > > > > Josh Luthman wrote: > > Couple of things to mention here... > > > > I believe (not certain!) that Netflix will do lower quality streams based > on > > your downstream connection. How low it will go I can't say. > > > > If a customer wants something they have to pay for it. The majority of > > customers go with the smallest package (something like 256k to 2meg > > depending on the area) which probably won't work with Netflix well. > They'll > > be forced to upgrade and pay more to the ISP, or stop the Netflix service > > (which is free for the first month). > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. > > --- Henry Spencer > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs.net < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Yes. I am up to 25 gig this month. Course me and my wife have been > >> watching older TV shows over the weekend. ;) > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org <http://www.wispa.org/> > >> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services* > >> *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net > >> <http://www.linktechs.net/> > >> > >> */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training > >> <http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp>/* > >> > >> > >> > >> Travis Johnson wrote: > >> > >>> You have hit the problem directly on the head. You think a simple > >>> Canopy AP is going to solve the problem? Let's say you are allocating > >>> 10Mbps downlink on this AP... that would mean 5 customers per AP (@ > >>> 2Mbps each). Nobody in this market can survive on those ratios. > >>> > >>> This service needs capped and people that want it can pay for "video > >>> streaming" which is $100/month extra... that would be my vote. > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >>> Drew Lentz wrote: > >>> > >>>> In areas like yours, though, some would argue that is the perfect > place > >>>> > >> for > >> > >>>> some type of licensed LTE/WiMAX type of service. Even with a Canopy > type > >>>> service it would beat down the doors of the telco offering only 3Mbps > of > >>>> service. As more and more devices have bandwidth requirements, the > >>>> > >> service > >> > >>>> providers will fall into line, I believe. > >>>> > >>>> Everyone has always pushed for more bandwidth, but it as always come > >>>> > >> from > >> > >>>> the customers as opposed to the devices. It seems like now, the device > >>>> requirements will leave the customer with no choice and force them > into > >>>> > >> a > >> > >>>> decision of higher consumption. > >>>> > >>>> As far as furthering the digital divide, I don't think it will hurt it > >>>> > >> all > >> > >>>> that bad. On the contrary what would be nice to see is the > >>>> > >> communications > >> > >>>> mediums becoming less expensive because of the amount of services > >>>> > >> required. > >> > >>>> Just like the price of bandwidth has changed over the years, I think > it > >>>> > >> will > >> > >>>> continue to drop. I would love to see some research data on the cost > per > >>>> > >> MB > >> > >>>> over the last 10 years and see what the trend is like. > >>>> > >>>> That combined with less expensive and functional equipment (UBNT's > >>>> > >> Bullet, > >> > >>>> the introduction of Mikrotik years ago, for examples) gives operators > >>>> > >> the > >> > >>>> ability to put more bandwidth than before in users hands at a fraction > >>>> > >> of > >> > >>>> the cost. > >>>> > >>>> I think more than anything it will come down to a backhaul battle. > Fiber > >>>> > >> to > >> > >>>> the node, fiber to the AP, high capacity microwave links (Bridgewave, > >>>> Dragonwave, Ceragon, etc) These are all going to be critically > important > >>>> > >> to > >> > >>>> aggregate and transport these huge amounts of data. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On 11/24/08 1:06 AM, "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> It will further the digital divide. Rural remote locations will be > >>>>> > >> again left > >> > >>>>> in the boon docks. Where I live, 3 meg DSL is the fastest available > >>>>> > >> connection > >> > >>>>> at $75/mth. Cheapest T1 here is over $600/mth, and fiber? forget it, > >>>>> > >> can't get > >> > >>>>> it unless you want to build about 4 towers just to backhaul, or pay > >>>>> > >> $1200/mth > >> > >>>>> for each cell tower to put them on. > >>>>> > >>>>> Why should the small ISP's foot the bill for Netflix and these > >>>>> > >> companies that > >> > >>>>> are making million's of dollars more than we are? > >>>>> > >>>>> Scottie > >>>>> > >>>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > >>>>> From: Drew Lentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>> Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 00:41:41 -0600 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> I'm all for open systems. Limiting the amount of bandwidth at any > >>>>>> > >> level is, > >> > >>>>>> to me, a terrible thing to do. I understand that it doesn't > >>>>>> > >> necessarily fit > >> > >>>>>> the model as it applies to today's business for many ISPs, but, > maybe > >>>>>> > >> its > >> > >>>>>> time to change the model. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is where the separation of providers starts to take shape. The > >>>>>> > >> networks > >> > >>>>>> that can handle these loads and supply the end-user are going to win > >>>>>> > >> the > >> > >>>>>> customers. I honestly think the demand of large scale bandwidth is > >>>>>> > >> going to > >> > >>>>>> be fed to the end-user by the consumer electronics market. Look at > CES > >>>>>> > >> last > >> > >>>>>> year. Look how many devices demand connectivity at certain levels. > If > >>>>>> > >> your > >> > >>>>>> current service provider can't get you what you need, there will > >>>>>> > >> always be > >> > >>>>>> someone else who can. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There is some great info here from a recent conference: > >>>>>> http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/citi/events/summit2008 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Take a look at the slides. I like the reference to the slide where > it > >>>>>> > >> breaks > >> > >>>>>> down how much bandwidth utilization there is expected to be per > >>>>>> > >> household: > >> > >>>>>> 35+ Mbps (and those are numbers from 2006!) > >>>>>> 4 VoIP lines @ 100Kbps > >>>>>> 2 SDTVs @ 2Mbps > >>>>>> 2 HDTVs @ 9 Mbps > >>>>>> 1 Gaming device @ 1Mbps > >>>>>> 1 High Spedd Internet @ 10Mbps > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Scary how quickly it adds up :) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> My favorite quote: > >>>>>> ³By the year 2010 bandwidth for 20 homes will generate more traffic > >>>>>> > >> than > >> > >>>>>> entire Internet in 1995² > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -d > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 11/24/08 12:24 AM, "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Sun, 23 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> It will be interesting to see how this plays out... the amount of > >>>>>>>> bandwidth required to sustain this type of service is not cost > >>>>>>>> effective. My upstream costs alone are over $50/Mbps. So if > someone > >>>>>>>> wants to run a constant 2Mbps stream, my raw cost is $100 per > month > >>>>>>>> (not including backhaul, support, AP costs, etc.). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Wait until people realize that this type of service isn't going to > >>>>>>>> be "free" as they think now.... when they get a $150/month > internet > >>>>>>>> bill, the $40 for DishTV will look pretty good. ;) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Even the cable companies are feeling the burn here: > >>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/3oufk8 > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Or a better story: > >>>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/2100-1034_3-5079624.html > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am glad to see these types of reports coming out. The cable ops > >>>>>>> and telcos have been rapidly trying to commoditize Internet access > >>>>>>> services and now they are realizing how stupid that was. In my > >>>>>>> opinion, high profile companies that are setting these limits are > >>>>>>> going to help the smaller guys (that's us) "get away" with what, in > >>>>>>> many cases, we were already doing. BW caps are something that will > >>>>>>> HAVE to happen in one form or another. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> <RANT> > >>>>>>> Where are all the net neutrality people now? Why aren't you all > >>>>>>> arguing that something like this is not relevant? Isn't this > >>>>>>> something that you have all asked for? I mean, if I sell someone a > >>>>>>> 2 meg connection, shouldn't they (and everyone else on the system) > >>>>>>> be able to run at 2 meg for the whole month? What difference does > >>>>>>> it make if I am buying a wireless connection, DSL or cable > >>>>>>> connection? In a net neutral environment, should it matter that I > >>>>>>> am streaming this type of content? > >>>>>>> </RANT> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I feel better. ;-) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >>>>>> --- > >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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