My whole goal is to get people to think outside of buying T1s from Ma Bell.
I'd assume your network goes close to 131, where there's fiber to be had. I'm not sure how close Brian's comes to 131, but if you guys can get on the same fiber out of town, that's be great. A 20 year IRU on fiber is very cost effective. There's a ring that goes around the Grand Rapids metro area as well. I'll let you guys work out the details, but I might be able to find some more providers in those towns. If I had to pay that much for bandwidth, I'd be going through the various directories and lists calling anyone within 50 miles of the bandwidth source asking if they want in. Depending on who all is around, maybe you can form another company whose sole responsibility is to purchase the bandwidth and fiber, then sell it out to the member companies. onelasvegas.com seems to think there's all kinds of providers in the Grand Rapids - Kalamazoo area. I'd look through that site and Matt Larsen's WISP Directory and see who all is around and what you can arrange. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Blair Davis Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... 35m to Kalamazoo, 35m to Grand Rapids, 30m to Holland. My bandwidth comes over fiber from Grand Rapids via Holland. Used to be T1's, but I saw the $700 T1's coming when verzion got their ruling in Texas that released them from wholesaling requirements. I had to defy my business partner to put the fiber in, but when the T1 renewal came up at $2250/month, up from $1050/month, for our 3 circuits, he was glad I had. $200 per Mb/s per month is up to 20Mb/s. It gets better after that, but not much. Brian and I have talked before. He is about 40m ESE of Grand Rapids. The topography here and our locations preclude any easy way to share bandwidth, but I am still looking. Mike Hammett wrote: He is 20 miles from Kalamazoo and Kalamazoo is serviced by at least KDL, US Signal, Level(3), Lightcore, and I believe GLC is there as well. I'm sure there's more out there. Grand Rapids isn't far away either. Charter is in his hometown (yes, they sell to WISPs, even will do fiber based BGP). I believe there are other WISPs within 20 miles of Kalamazoo... Brian R... Rohrbacher .... anyway, I think he's 40 miles the other direction. Maybe you two could go together and get a bigger pipe than either of you could get separately and take advantage of the scale. There's at least 2 and maybe as high as 5 WISPs using the same connection in my area.... they may all just buy from one, but I dunno. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Harold Bledsoe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Blair, Do you think you could do the same thing from Chicago or Detroit? You should be able to get something in the $30~50/Mb range, maybe better if you can shoot off of a carrier hotel roof or something. -Hal -----Original Message----- From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth and costs... Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:57:55 -0500 I've got the same issues here. I'm getting rid of my expensive T1's and bringing in bandwidth from 30 miles away. If the usages keeps growing, I'll employ one of the options you mention below. -RickG On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Blair Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: With the things that are coming, I'm starting to wounder just how the bandwidth/pricing model is going to have to change. This is likely not a big deal for you urban guys, but out here in the rural areas, bandwidth ain't cheap. A T1, 1.54Mb/s, costs me $700/month. On my fiber, 1Mb/s costs me $200/month. These movie services look to run 2Mb/s. IPTV looks to run 500Kb/s per stream. Just how much of this can our rural networks handle? The sat. services can't do this. The cellular providers can't do this. Most of us have our residential service priced in the $35-$45 range. It doesn't take a accountant to see that those numbers don't add up. Is per bit pricing the answer? Higher fixed monthly? Traffic discrimination? A combination? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! 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