Tom,

The last quotes I have done have put Bridgewave much cheaper than Dragonwave
for 1.2Gpbs... although Dragonwave by far has a range benefit to it.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 2:51 PM
>To: [email protected]; WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>
>Bob,
>
>I think you are right. (To give Ceragon credit where credit is due).
>Although, I'm positive Dragonwave was the first to do it with 366mbps
>per
>radio ODU with Ethernet.
>Ceragon was stuck at 200-250mbps per ODU for a while there.
>
>Its important to note that breaking the 350mbps barrier, and radio
>combining
>(for double) was a core accomplishment, that put the value proposition
>of
>6-23Ghz above that of inexistence 80Ghz technology with multiple hops,
>to
>deliver near equivellent capacity, at lower cost.
>
>Tom DeReggi
>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <[email protected]>
>To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:53 PM
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>
>
>>I believe (but not sure) Ceragon was the first with a DPRM mount.
>>
>> But agree with everything else
>>
>> :-)
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Tom DeReggi" <[email protected]>
>>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:32:12
>> To: WISPA General List<[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>>
>>
>> Good advice Bob, but I'll add.... There is a purpose for each model,
>and
>> for
>> that matter also a specific manufacturer, and all ODU is not always
>the
>> best
>> choice.
>>
>> For example... Trango boasts several core benefits, for some
>> circumstances.
>> Its Giga Split archetiecture allows Coax installs to extend up to
>1000ft.
>> (Dragonwave's Coax split Archetecture, still has limits to 150-200
>feet or
>> so, according to their docs.).  Trango's Apex allows optional Fiber
>> termination with a very easilly accessible connectors. (Dragonwave on
>the
>> other hand has the Fiber connectors poorly located, that require
>taking
>> the
>> case apart in order to reach them.) Because of this, for long cable
>> deployments, I prefer Trango.  Or if on short deadline, and Freq
>Coords
>> not
>> complete, Trango equipment can be ordered in advance of completion
>because
>> they can support more channels per ODU model. (For example, 18 and 23
>Ghz
>> only have one ODU Pair choice).   Its also important to note, it
>should
>> not
>> be midunderstood the purpose of Trango Gigas's 4 ports. They are
>Private
>> VLAN.  This is really great for when a link needs to be shared. For
>> example,
>> Port 1 for the customer that paid to get the link installed. Port2 for
>the
>> ISP's other traffic to serve other clients in the building.  This is
>> enabled
>> with zero complexity, that way.  The far end switch/router equipment
>do
>> not
>> need configuration or being the same to accommodate segregation. This
>is
>> not
>> useful for all installs, but in some cases, this is a unique benefit.
>>
>> Dragonwave offers different benefits... For example... The Airpair
>> supports
>> a whole wealth of different ODU Radios that can be interchanged with
>the
>> Indoor rack unit. If one doesn't buy advanced replacement warrantees,
>its
>> much cheaper to just order in an ODU seperately, than a Full outdoor
>> radio.
>> I'd rather float $3000 to get a replacements ODU in, than $12,000 for
>a
>> full
>> Horizon.  We'd use All ODU models where we have live backup links in
>> place,
>> and can afford to wait for a Manufacturer replacement.   With that
>said,
>> we
>> love All ODU units, it makes for a much quicker/simpler install, with
>Zero
>> Footprint needed inside. This is great for MTU buildings, where they
>need
>> to
>> be installed in small closets, or penthouse walls. The Dragonwaves
>were
>> the
>> first to be able to combine radios for double the capacity, so more
>> expandabilty.  Airpair offers 25% more capacity than the Trango giga,
>> where
>> split archetecture is needed.  Dragonwave offers a dealer channel for
>> those
>> that will benefit from it.
>>
>> Tom DeReggi
>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[email protected]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2009 6:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ceragon, Dragonwave and whatelse?
>>
>>
>>> Well....a couple of notes...
>>>
>>> I personally would use an all ODU version because it makes servicing
>a
>>> breeze and also swapping out a bad radio quick and simple. No
>guessing
>>> about is it the indoor unit, is it the outdoor unit, is it the
>interface
>>> cable???  Get an all ODU like the Dragonwave Horizon and you run CAT5
>>> and you're done. If you get a cable issue you either can't log in or
>see
>>> no handshake with your switch/router or..If one of the POE lines are
>bad
>>> your radio will continue to reboot. Troubleshoot the radio on the
>ground
>>> with a patch cable and you rule out your cabling system.
>>>
>>> Like was mentioned elsewhere here if you are concerned with theft you
>>> can lock the radios in place. This can be done by putting a security
>>> screw in place of the grounding screw and use a cable assembly to
>lock
>>> it up. If the theft concern is that high you should probably consider
>>> another location.
>>>
>>> With weather being a concern you could always install a second
>parallel
>>> link on the same antenna using a DPRM mount. Then if one link fails
>the
>>> other could be engaged to carry the traffic.
>>>
>>> I do not see this link really working (high 9's reliability) without
>4'
>>> antennas. That of course leads to new mounting issues.  At 6 Ghz. you
>>> are looking at 6' minimum dishes.  Figure 600-800 lbs per antenna
>with
>>> mount not to say the least about cost, shipping and installation.
>>>
>>> I personally like Dragonwave for 2 reasons.  1 - The service facility
>is
>>> in this part of the hemisphere which allows me to get equipment
>>> overnight in emergencies.  2 - One year advanced replacement is only
>>> $500/year per radio.  Allows me to sleep easily.
>>>
>>> This does not mean I do not like Ceragon. They are just doing some
>>> growing pains things at the moment and most of the stuff is serviced
>>> overseas unless it is an interface or something simple.
>>>
>>> Dragonwave support is very responsive though you do have to leave
>your
>>> name with a service and they call you back.  I have installed more
>than
>>> 45 Dragonwave links in the past 2 years and have only had 2 failures.
>>>
>>> There are other options but history, price or delivery will kill them
>as
>>> an option.
>>>
>>> And stay away from equipment that does switching for you. Do all your
>>> control external to the radio.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>>>> Dear All,
>>>>
>>>> we are considering to move to licensed frequencies for back hauling
>and
>>>> therefore some hints would be really appreciated. We are looking at
>2
>>>> main manufacturers (Ceragon/Dragonwave) so the problem is "which one
>>>> fits better for our needs"?
>>>>
>>>> Just to summarize:
>>>>
>>>> a) links are around 20-25 miles
>>>> b) antennas: the smaller the better
>>>> c) robustness is very important
>>>> d) average life: 3 years
>>>>
>>>> >From what I have read in the data sheets I have done the following
>>>> considerations:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Dragonwave Horizon is nice but only if your site is well
>protected
>>>> from "sabotage and stealing". The "all outdoor" approach is nice but
>it
>>>> has the drawback that if somebody takes the whole unit they will
>have a
>>>> brand new unit working. With the IDU/ODU approach they will have
>only
>>>> half of the "banknote", so after the first or second time, they will
>not
>>>> spend time having something useless.
>>>> 2) Dragonwave Horizon can be a problem if you don't use fiber from
>the
>>>> unit down to your switch. In few words, we have sites with huge
>amount
>>>> or EM fields, so even using shielded cables (e.g. Belden 1300A) we
>get
>>>> only few ethernet megabits. So we should use fiber to go up the
>tower,
>>>> but maybe be IDU/ODU approach is more robust (comments welcome).
>>>> 3) All outdoor means that when you have to re-use the devices
>somewhere
>>>> else, you have to buy a whole new thing instead of just swapping the
>>>> ODU.
>>>> 4) In any case the (all outdoor or IDU/ODU) when the tower is frozen
>>>> (and when I mean frozen I mean a whole block of ice) then it does
>not
>>>> change much, you have to wait the better season to work on that.
>>>> 5) Performances look more or less the same.
>>>> 6) I don't know much about prices, I have looked on some website, I
>am
>>>> still exploring this aspect
>>>> 7) Is anybody using the software-switch capabilities on this devices
>or
>>>> just using them as transparent bridges for your router/switch? Do
>you
>>>> need to reset them often?
>>>>
>>>> Comments are welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Am I missing some other good brand?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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