I'm not sure Travis will buy your mountain excuse. I've heard on various lists before of WISPs working with the government to build towers in federal parks, etc.
You'll have to think outside of the box on this. Can't just order a T1 from the telco. You'll have to build your own network out to a POP somewhere, whether it be wireless or fiber. Actually, since so many WISPs are doing it these days, I'm not really sure it's about of the box anymore. https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four22 ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 6:00 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 3:26 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now > > >> There's always, always another option. The affordability or practicality >> of >> those options vary. >> >> Education and knowledge of the world at large is certainly cheaper than >> burying 200 miles of fiber. Not having an easy upstream choice isn't an >> excuse for not knowing what networks are around you, keeping in contact >> with >> them, knowing how the Internet at large works. >> >> I'm not sure how current your coverage map is, but Electric Lightwave has >> a >> POP in Grand Coulee, which is 20 miles from Wilbur. > > It's more than 20 miles in reality. There is also a bit of a mountain in > the way. And much of the land out there is government and mostly > unavailable for use. > >> They may have closer, >> but their POP names don't necessarily match up with town names. > > Yeah, and NoaNET has a drop near Creston Wa. But we're based in Odessa, > not > Creston, Wilbur or Coulee Dam. > >> Vision >> networks in Montana may be of use, but I don't know. they indicate a >> line >> going near you, but no POPs specified. Being right near I-90, there has >> to >> be a chunk of fiber next to it, just have to do some research to find out >> whom. ;-) > > There is fiber IN town. But there's only 1. And it's Century Tel. > > There is a lot of fiber south of us (some closer to us than to I-90 > even!). > But so far I've not found a way to get into it. For some reason AT&T (or > whoever owns it now) doesn't like to break into their runs mid span. > > The upshot of things is that I'm only 9 miles from being able to tie my > Grant and Lincoln county networks together. Anyone know how small of a > block of IP addys we can get? How do we get them and what is the cost? > > When I can get them tied together I'll likely run bgp and get my own ip > space. That'll help with upstream choices anyway. Renumbering hundreds > of > customers would suck! > > laters, > marlon > >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 4:05 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >> >>> roflol >>> >>> Oh the arrogance of the well connected! grin >>> >>> I'm just twisting your tail Mike. >>> >>> But understand something about the reality of things out here. There >>> are >>> NO >>> other choices for upstream connectivity. I have ONE provider at three >>> of >>> my >>> main sites. Not because I don't want a back up, but because there IS no >>> other choice. >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 1:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >>> >>> >>>> I'm not saying anything about you personally, John. >>>> >>>> However, situations like this are why a lot of people don't take WISPs >>>> seriously. Everybody here should be doing BGP, or at the very least >>>> know >>>> what it is, how it works, and how large of an impact it has on the >>>> whole >>>> Internet. There were a few responses to this statement indicating that >>>> people don't know how this system works or how to get current >>>> information >>>> on >>>> the issue (NANOG, etc.). >>>> >>>> There were only a few responses, but I bet you there are dozens or >>>> hundreds >>>> of lurkers that don't know either. >>>> >>>> You can't run your operation effectively if you don't (or have people >>>> to) >>>> know everything from RF propagation, local demographics, routing, >>>> government >>>> policy, etc. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>> From: "John McDowell" <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Monday, February 16, 2009 11:18 AM >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] make sure you are filtering AS48438 right now >>>> >>>>> what is that? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Matt Liotta <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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