I would recommend contacting ACC business. In my experience they give better 
pricing then AT&T direct. But also they could provide a better rate that you 
can bring to AT&T and have them give you a better rate. We used to have ACC but 
when we moved our new circuit is direct through AT&T. In all honesty 
installation and billing was better through ACC even if it was AT&T but they 
deal with one of their resellers and not end user so service is faster and all. 
I'm still waiting for some answers in regards to our install. Took them about 6 
months to get service turned up. With ACC it was told 90 days and at 90 days we 
had service. Cool thing is since ACC is AT&T we just moved our assigned IP's 
and didn't have to renumber. I called the same # for tech support before with 
ACC as I do now for AT&T. I didn't figure that they (AT&T) would price match 
ACC but they did. 

/Eje 
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Hammett" <[email protected]>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:02:57 
To: WISPA General List<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN


I'm going back through my contacts for you.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



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From: "Chadd Thompson" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:22 PM
To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN

> Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
> DS3.
>
> 10mb: $4300
> 20mb: $4788
> 30mb: $5300
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]on
> Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
>
> It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I 
> won't
> say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.
>
> The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
> justification.
>
>
> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
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> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Richey" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
>
>> /rant on
>>
>> Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a 
>> market
>> where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might get
>> a
>> DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.   For
>> those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
>> connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in
>> the
>> beginning.
>>
>> If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will give
>> you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
>> situation
>> where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to allocate
>> any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do anything
>> until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.
>>
>> The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
>> multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard for
>> the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP blocks
>> are non portable.
>>
>> /rant off
>>
>> Richey
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>> Behalf Of Cliff Olle
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
>>
>> I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 
>> days
>> or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you are
>> only using 4 class Cs?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
>> Behalf Of Scott Piehn
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
>>
>> One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.
>>
>>
>> Scott
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Thomas" <[email protected]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
>>
>>
>>> If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
>>> you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
>>>> We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class c's
>>>> and
>>>> will need more pretty soon in one location.
>>>>
>>>> Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?
>>>>
>>>> marlon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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