Could someone sue for this? 

In a pizza shop in a town I used to live by, there "was a wall of shame" where they posted all
bounced checks for everyone to see with a little sign at the top that if your check bounced it
would be posted there until you paid up.  I would never do it, but it was a great incentive!

Jason

Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
Yes, Mike, it isn't the same as sending a letter...even if the color of
the envelope is indicative of some situation.  Nevertheless, the legal
rules are very strict...nobody but the addressee can open it.

When you put something on every screen on every PC using a subscriber's
account and reveal any financial matter, especially an embarrassing one, a
"hot head" may, when enraged, do all sorts of things...especially if the
mistake isn't theirs (which is a small but possible event).

If you can get the account holder to sign into a Web site with their
assigned USERNAME and PASSWORD...that's OK and you can exchange
confidential information.  If you can get them to call, that's OK ("...can
I have your name and last 4 digits of your SS#?).

Creating a "gated garden" which allows an immediate click-to-restore but
states that a situation exists that requires the account holder to call a
phone number is OK since it doesn't slander the account holder (maybe
mistakenly), can verify the account holder, and, if the message screen is
only on port 80 and doesn't stop the VoIP phone from accessing 911, etc.,
there is no jeopardy.  And, that screen can come more and more
frequently...maybe every 5 minutes until they call.  

...just a further thought.

. . . j o n a t h a n
-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:27 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

You're correct with the liability thing...  it sucks that people sue over 
such petty things.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



--------------------------------------------------
From: "Jonathan Schmidt" <jeschm...@jeschmidt.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:38 PM
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

  
There is some potential liability in this.

You don't know if friends are visiting and using the computer...or, the
subscriber has an Wi-Fi w/o WAP/WEP and others are (potentially
accidentally) using it.  In any case, you could be slandering the
subscriber by calling them deadbeats to other people.

It seems more polite to hit them over and over or persistantly with a
demand that they contact a phone number to address a problem with their
subscription.  It also may stop a law suit...a typical response from a
real deadbeat.

Cutting off the service is an option but it may enrage the person to
"never do business with that company again."  What you need to do is
    
talk
  
with them without slandering them.

...just a thought...

. . . J o n a t h a n


-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 6:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Well. We kinda do this now. When a customer get to far out. We manually
add a rule to the router at the tower site he is connected to that
redirects all his port 80 traffic to a webpage that says basically, "You
didn't pay you bill for a long time and you need to contact us and make
    
a
  
payment to before your web surfing will be available again." Email still
works, etc...

We will still do that. But what I am trying to accomplish is to have my
billing system log into the client as soon as is hits 31+ in the billing
system and set a rule on the router board that will now occasionally
interrupt the clients web browsing by redirecting them to a page letting
them know they are now 31+ past due and offer them the chance to pay
    
now.
  
If they chose to not pay now, they can just continue with what they were
doing. This way they are always in the "know" that they are behind and
    
are
  
presented with a way to cure that immediately. Again since the client is
not way behind I just want the surfing to be redirect occasionally.

Next step would be after this is gone on and they hit 40 days the next
script would be ran where it redirects all there web traffic
    
indefinitely
  
to the pay your bill page until paid.

I hope that explains it better.

Thanks,
John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chuck Profito" <cprof...@cv-access.com>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 11:45:59 AM GMT -05:00 Columbia
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Why not just a redirect of all port 80 traffic on that ip at 60 days, to
the 'Gracious Offer' page,  "If you call in the next seven days there
    
will
  
be no reup fees, please see your e-mail!", Or maybe just redirect them
    
to
  
a Web Mail Portal sign in page...  then 7-14 days later it ALL gets
    
turned
  
off including cancellation fees, if any.


Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
cprof...@cv-access.com
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California



-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Eje Gustafsson
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 6:05 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

Yepp bit expected. Because a web page consists of multiple images most
    
of
  
the time and if you use every nth you never know if that rule will then
hit a icon, text page or picture file that is retrieved.

You could setup something that uses the hotspot service and the
advertisement banners. Or I created a solution with Gatespot that when
    
the
  
user login to the hotspot will redirect them to a messaging system that
will display any messages to the user if there are any and if there
    
isn't
  
then the user will get their original requested webpage just like
    
normal.
  
/ Eje

-----Original Message-----
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of sa...@michianawireless.com
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 7:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik Redirect

What I am attempting to do is setup a script to put on the client
routerboard when there account becomes 30+ days behind. This script will
occasionally redirect the clients web browser to a notice page that lets
them know there account is past due and offer a payment page. If they
refresh they should be able to continue browsing. This is intended to be
multipurpose, informative to the user in case they forgot to pay, offer
    
a
  
quick way to get caught up and be a tad annoying until paid.

I tried this experiment on my home connection:

0 X chain=dstnat action="" to-addresses=1.2.3.4 to-ports=80
    protocol=tcp src-address=0.0.0.0/0 dst-address=!1.2.3.4 dst-port=80
    nth=5,1

Really did not work as planned. Occasionally I would get the page at the
1.2.3.4 server but most of the time I would get broken links and
    
partially
  
displayed pages?

John Buwa
Michiana Wireless



    
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