What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf)
Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: > An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads > does, however. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ralph" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >> wireless card. >> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >> like >> your PC. >> >> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the >> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >> the >> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If >> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had >> these >> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc >> builders >> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top >> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. >> The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the >> builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did >> not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are >> doing >> with the Mikrotik stuff. >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board >> wireless. >> >> I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your >> routerboards are required to be certified. >> If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices >> certified. >> >> ======= >> Digital device:ยง 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a >> computing >> device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and >> uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) >> per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment >> that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and >> uses >> radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing >> functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, >> recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio >> frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement >> in >> any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of >> this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards >> for >> digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable >> operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not >> control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and >> peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital >> devices. >> >> >> Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device >> that >> is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. >> >> Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device >> that >> is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices >> include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and >> similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general >> public. >> Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the >> likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits >> than the Class A devices. >> ======= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and >> radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type >> of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the >> outside that MT offers to only its distributors. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> That's been the ongoing argument. >> >> I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC >> certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that >> transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure >> need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio >> needs to be certified, not the whole car. >> >> Greg >> On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: >> >> >>> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" >>> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if >>> they are, >>> that does not an FCC certified system make. >>> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. >>> Something >>> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. >>> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number >>> for >>> *that system*. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> the >>> most >>> >>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>> >>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of >>> it in >>> >>> over the last year or so. >>> >>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>> the >>> >>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >>> >>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >>> the >>> >>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go >>> too >>> >>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain..... What are you >>> guys >>> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, >>> all I >>> need to replace is the indoor ratios. >>> >>> Why would you install what you put in? >>> >>> laters, >>> marlon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> ---- >>> ---- >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> ---- >>> ---- >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>> -------- >>> WISPA Wants You! 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