The Routerboards without built in radio cards are Part B certified devices (which is a self certification process with no filing with the FCC required). The manufacturer just need to have the documentation to provide in case of a FCC inquiry. If memory serves me right MikroTik used to have their test reports on their routerboard.com website before they changed the design a while back. A part B device that passes the line out mission testing is allowed to bear the FCC symbol on them. But that does not necessary mean that a part B device that does not bear the symbol does not pass but of course could mean that it has not been tested at all. A device that do have the symbol on it and has not been tested or does not pass is in violation and "fines" can be issued (additional fines that is for using the symbol on a non passing device, a device sold that does not pass means violation and fines as well).
/ Eje -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Randy Cosby Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B certified? Randy Mike Hammett wrote: > An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A crossroads > does, however. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "ralph" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM > To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > >> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable the >> wireless card. >> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just >> like >> your PC. >> >> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of the >> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine for >> the >> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. If >> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had >> these >> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc >> builders >> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top >> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using screws. >> The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the >> builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they did >> not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are >> doing >> with the Mikrotik stuff. >> >> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any FCC >> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. >> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on board >> wireless. >> >> I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your >> routerboards are required to be certified. >> If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices >> certified. >> >> ======= >> Digital device:ยง 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a >> computing >> device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates and >> uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses (cycles) >> per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone equipment >> that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and >> uses >> radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing >> functions, such as electronic computations, operations, transformations, >> recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio >> frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation requirement >> in >> any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C of >> this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the standards >> for >> digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable >> operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not >> control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals and >> peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital >> devices. >> >> >> Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device >> that >> is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business environment. >> >> Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device >> that >> is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such devices >> include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and >> similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general >> public. >> Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where the >> likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission limits >> than the Class A devices. >> ======= >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and >> radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type >> of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the >> outside that MT offers to only its distributors. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> That's been the ongoing argument. >> >> I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is FCC >> certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of [email protected] >> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >> >> Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that >> transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure >> need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio >> needs to be certified, not the whole car. >> >> Greg >> On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: >> >> >>> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" >>> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if >>> they are, >>> that does not an FCC certified system make. >>> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. >>> Something >>> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. >>> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number >>> for >>> *that system*. >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> MT is FCC Certified :) >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------- >>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer >>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org >>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services >>> WISPA Vendor Member >>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net >>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training >>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of ralph >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Marlon- >>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say >>> >>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified >>> Mikrotik- Not so much >>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. >>> >>> >>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to >>> work >>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer >>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what >>> others >>> >>> are using. >>> >>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of >>> the >>> most >>> >>> reliable gear that I've ever used. >>> >>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of >>> it in >>> >>> over the last year or so. >>> >>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to >>> the >>> >>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. >>> >>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do >>> the >>> >>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. 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