I've been using for bridging with the N hardware without issue (knock knock)
Not sure about dual radio setup options using MPLS/VPLS though... Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 -------- Original Message -------- > From: "Randy Cosby" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 12:18 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik load balancing ( was backhaul choices ) > > Anyone else had a chance to play with MPLS much on the mikrotiks? > > Having read the wiki article* about using MPLS to bridge two networks > (instead of WDS or EoIP) I have tried it on a new link I put up. So far > so good. I think I need to play with the MTU settings a bit more to > optimize it. What I'm wondering is if Mikrotik MPLS can be used as a > load balancing method on dual radios, where OSPF routing may not be > appropriate. > > http://www.nil.com/ipcorner/LoadSharingTE explores a couple load > balancing approaches, including MPLS on Cisco. Anyone confident enough > in their MPLS skills to try to make this work on Mikrotik wireless > links? Seems like it could combine benefits of the ospf method with > transparent bridging. > > Randy > > * Wiki link: > http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Transparently_Bridge_two_Networks_using_MPLS > > > Josh Luthman wrote: > > Good for weeks or months. Terrible for a long term link. > > > > Have Butch set it up in a few minutes or read the documentation and get it > > going yourself. Well worth it. > > > > Josh Luthman > > Office: 937-552-2340 > > Direct: 937-552-2343 > > 1100 Wayne St > > Suite 1337 > > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > > improbable, must be the truth." > > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Robert West <[email protected]>wrote: > > > > > >> Yeah, locks up. But again, I haven't tried it but from what I've read I'll > >> pass on it. > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:03 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >> > >> > >>> It tends to fall on its face at times although I never tried it for > >>> > >> myself. > >> > >> What is "it"? Referring to dual nstreme? > >> > >> Josh Luthman > >> Office: 937-552-2340 > >> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >> 1100 Wayne St > >> Suite 1337 > >> Troy, OH 45373 > >> > >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > >> improbable, must be the truth." > >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Robert West > >> <[email protected]>wrote: > >> > >> > >>> I've heard the same thing over in the Mikrotik forums. The solution they > >>> had is the same as Josh here says. It tends to fall on its face at times > >>> although I never tried it for myself. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 10:26 AM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>> > >>> I am suggesting don't use dual nstreme as it causes lock ups. > >>> > >>> Use OSPF to create a pseudo FDX bridge between two links. Personally > >>> > >> done > >> > >>> with 1 RB and 2 radios on each side, but could work with 1 RB and four > >>> bullets/comparable (just need to make sure they're true bridges). > >>> > >>> Josh Luthman > >>> Office: 937-552-2340 > >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 > >>> 1100 Wayne St > >>> Suite 1337 > >>> Troy, OH 45373 > >>> > >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > >>> improbable, must be the truth." > >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Dennis Burgess > >>> <[email protected]>wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>>> Don't know what that means? I am assuming that you had some lockups > >>>> while using dual nstream. Don't think that was part of the > >>>> conversation. I was just saying that doing a Full Duplex OSPF or > >>>> Static-Routed link is well documented. > >>>> > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > >>>> WISPA Vendor Member > >>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > >>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> > >> On > >> > >>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:12 AM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>>> > >>>> So the three lock ups on my links while using dual nstreme were just a > >>>> coincidentally solved by changing the config..? > >>>> > >>>> On 9/17/09, Dennis Burgess <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> OSPF Full duplex is no biggy, anyone can do it and is well > >>>>> > >> documented, > >> > >>>>> but I don't think he needs that. I would just put up a link and be > >>>>> happy! Keep in mind, installation is key to a quality and reliable > >>>>> link! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>>> > >>>> On > >>>> > >>>>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:39 PM > >>>>> To: [email protected]; WISPA General List > >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>>>> > >>>>> Assuming you can get 40mhz of 5ghz spectrum and not need it anymore, > >>>>> MT is great and it's cheap. Finding that 40mhz is your major concern. > >>>>> > >>>>> I am running two backhauls, each with two pairs of radios (that's > >>>>> 40mhz of spectrum) and they're 99% awesome. Don't use the 532/333 > >>>>> (433ah IMO) or dual nstreme (use Butch's pseudo fdx OSPF) and you'll > >>>>> get that .999%. > >>>>> > >>>>> On 9/16/09, Scott Carullo <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Marlon, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I haven't seen every post on this thread but have been keeping eye > >>>>>> > >> on > >> > >>>>> it at > >>>>> > >>>>>> a distance... > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Why would you not want to use a MT solution for about $500 for the > >>>>>> > >>>>> link > >>>>> > >>>>>> with the ability to easily go 30/60MB depending on 20/40Mhz channel. > >>>>>> > >>>>> I'd > >>>>> > >>>>>> say its proven there are a multitude of people that use the gear for > >>>>>> backhaul on this list and any of them will tell you its a solid > >>>>>> > >>>>> performer. > >>>>> > >>>>>> Is it the absolute most reliable rock solid gear available? Depends > >>>>>> > >>>>> who > >>>>> > >>>>>> you ask. I've had MT gear running I've forgotten about for many > >>>>>> > >>>> years > >>>> > >>>>>> without a hickup. Also had some that has to be replaced a bit more > >>>>>> > >>>>> than > >>>>> > >>>>>> other solutions might need to be due to ethernet sensitiity - > >>>>>> > >> depends > >> > >>>>> on > >>>>> > >>>>>> how & where its installed. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> But, considering the alternative prices you could get an awful lot > >>>>>> > >>>>> more for > >>>>> > >>>>>> your money with this solution. You could even put in two radios on > >>>>>> > >>>>> each > >>>>> > >>>>>> side and link them together using on of many different ways for > >>>>>> > >>>>> redundancy > >>>>> > >>>>>> - still at a fraction of the cost of other solutions. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The positive side is your price range is very realistic for that > >>>>>> > >>>>> throughput > >>>>> > >>>>>> - you have many good solid choices you won't go wrong with most of > >>>>>> > >>>>> which > >>>>> > >>>>>> has been discussed on this list already. I'll give you one more... > >>>>>> > >>>> I > >>>> > >>>>> have > >>>>> > >>>>>> an external trango Atlas link coming down in about a week I can part > >>>>>> > >>>>> with > >>>>> > >>>>>> ;) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Scott Carullo > >>>>>> Brevard Wireless > >>>>>> 321-205-1100 x102 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 6:57 PM > >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Uh, guys, this is interesting. But it doesn't answer the original > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> question! > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I don't have a need for a 100meg full duplex backhaul solution. 20 > >>>>>>> > >>>>> megs > >>>>> > >>>>>>> both ways will do just fine for now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What ideas do y'all have for a 20+ meg backhaul solution. > >>>>>>> > >> Something > >> > >>>>> less > >>>>> > >>>>>>> than $3000 if it's at all possible. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I know about the MT gear. I''ve already used one. And I REALLY > >>>>>>> > >>>> like > >>>> > >>>>> the > >>>>> > >>>>>>> Airaya gear it'll replace. I'm just wondering what people are > >>>>>>> > >> using > >> > >>>>> and > >>>>> > >>>>>>> liking. I don't want any unproven brand new gear. Or something > >>>>>>> > >>>> too > >>>> > >>>>>> cheap > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> like an 802.11a ap and client setup. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> thanks, > >>>>>>> marlon > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:53 PM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 13:22 -0400, ralph wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> any > >>>>> > >>>>>> FCC > >>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > >>>>>>>>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already > >>>>>>>>> > >> have > >> > >>>>> on > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> board > >>>>>>>>> wireless. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> You are half correct. 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